Originally Posted by Blackheifer
Originally Posted by GM4Him
Okay. I want to make one thing clear because it keeps coming up again and again.


The reason for my stance (and why many are "prude" about such things) is because of this concept: We are trying to look out for others who are weak against certain temptations to help them NOT commit criminal acts as a result OR that may cause them to destroy their lives. It is this concept and reason that leads me and others (again not everyone, obviously) to speak up.


This is a very typical of this sort of stance though - instead of working on our response and why we respond to that sort of thing we instead insist that the item in question be removed. You see, its women not wearing enough clothing that is the problem, not our response to and view of women. Its that there are people who are sex workers not our need to visit sex workers in the first place. You will exhaust yourself trying to police the world, and probably piss off everyone in the process.

To me it smacks of a lack of maturity, education and self-control. We can't have honest conversations about women's health because some men are offended by the terminology we use for parts of female anatomy. So lets not have the conversations and just ignore those needs.

If someone is "weak", help them become strong. Get them into therapy.

Also, go watch Moral Orel. It's great!

@Black If I understand you correctly here, I agree with you. People "not being able to control their sexual appetites" is a symptom, not a cause, it's a terrible fucking argument/stance, and it's a piece of what I'm discussing in my original post. We have an unhealthy social mindset concerning sex and nudity, and too many people want to sweep it under the rug instead of talking about it or getting help. A huge piece of that is that we've stigmatized sex.

I don't have the energy to tackle all of your post @GM4Him and I appreciate the time and effort you put into the response, but it reads very much as a victim-blamey persecution complex. You don't punish everyone for things that only a few people do, and if the conversations around sex were more open people might feel more comfortable confronting them. If your platform is as you stated above, "We are trying to look out for others who are weak against certain temptations to help them NOT commit criminal acts as a result OR that may cause them to destroy their lives. It is this concept and reason that leads me and others (again not everyone, obviously) to speak up," then it feels like your focus should be more on getting those individuals help so that something as normal as human sexuality isn't triggering them to commit crimes.