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How does Sleeping work as I thought Elves (Non Drow kind) go into a Trance?


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Originally Posted by TheAscendent
How does Sleeping work as I thought Elves (Non Drow kind) go into a Trance?

Resting works the same for everyone, although you can theater of the mind that elves occupy their time pursuing personal goals.

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How does Sleeping work as I thought Elves (Non Drow kind) go into a Trance?

Resting works the same for everyone, although you can theater of the mind that elves occupy their time pursuing personal goals.
Do they no longer just... sit and medidate on a long rest?

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In the game they’re usually shown as meditating cross-legged rather than lying down. Except in certain cutscenes, which is slightly jarring but hopefully will be fixed somehow on full release!


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Elves absolutely *can* sleep. It's more a matter of personal and cultural preference as well as their capability to enter the trance. IIRC it's stated in the novels that drow specifically tend to have difficulty entering a trance and that most sleep instead. There are exceptions though. Quenthel Baenre, the current head of the first house of Menzoberranzan didn't even own a bed, and had a mat she meditated on instead IIRC.

A lot of Drow just lack the sort of mental stillness to enter the sort of meditative state required to trance due to....cultural reasons.

Even surface elves can/will sleep. IIRC they can become too exhausted to trance and have to sleep instead.

Not necessarily the sort of thing that tends to be reflected in the rules though.

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Originally Posted by Leucrotta
Not necessarily the sort of thing that tends to be reflected in the rules though.
There is word for such things: Homebrew.


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Not necessarily the sort of thing that tends to be reflected in the rules though.
There is word for such things: Homebrew.
Yes, but unfortunate nonetheless to have to resort to such.

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/shrug ...

Anyway.
What is final werdict on this topic?

Elves faces are not Elven ...
Dwarves beards dont seem to be Dwarvish ...
Half-Orcs (acording to that single pic i have seen, but it was after all picked as promotional material) are not Orcish (enough) ...
And Haflings are ... well, i dont want to be rude, but "some weird biological material that asumed aproximately humanoid shape" ...

Seems like models will be Achilles' heel of this game. frown

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I like the variety.

I found the lack of Tav voices to be the limiting factor.

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I actually like the halflings. proportionately large heads and shorter limbs is a look they have had before, it's not too dissimilar.\\

Dwarves, yeah. Some beard variety would be nice. I have hope in this department-we know more customization is coming.

Half Orcs...I'm happy to see them, but they look like Oblivion orcs.

Elves. Still disappointing. Don't expect it to change. Perhaps some enterprising modder could fix them up, but more people seem fixated on creating their perfect elven waifu than on making them look lore-accurate, because that would make them less conventionally attractive, even if it did mean they looked like something other than pointy-eared humans.

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I wish Dwarves had bigger legs. Personally I feel right now they're too top-heavy and nor proportionate to how I feel they should look. Dwarves being sturdy and hard to knock over makes the skinny legs feel a bit out of character. The torso could have also used some work.

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This particular drawing by itSMEneon is what I personally think would be ideal proportions. Obviously at this point it's probably too late in development to make these changes without having to redo all the armor/clothing/animations. I'll make do.

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Originally Posted by Leucrotta
I actually like the halflings. proportionately large heads and shorter limbs is a look they have had before, it's not too dissimilar.\\

Dwarves, yeah. Some beard variety would be nice. I have hope in this department-we know more customization is coming.

Half Orcs...I'm happy to see them, but they look like Oblivion orcs.

Elves. Still disappointing. Don't expect it to change. Perhaps some enterprising modder could fix them up, but more people seem fixated on creating their perfect elven waifu than on making them look lore-accurate, because that would make them less conventionally attractive, even if it did mean they looked like something other than pointy-eared humans.

Well you got your beard variety.

Thoughts on the new customization and elves from what you saw? Still don't look like depictions of the Tel-quessir to me but i could be wrong/overlooking things in the recent PfH.

Look at what modders did with Elves in NWN2, they worked magic, i believe that will be the case here as well.

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Well you got your beard variety.
You mean that single fluff with 3 little braids, that dont even reach your breast, and will most likely be aviable for each and every race ... maybe even including elves?

Among Dwarves, calling such thing a beard would be insult that can only be washed over by blood.

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I personally want a long beard braided into 7 locks that reaches the waistline.

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Kinda like this one.

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Exactly!
Beards are important for Dwarves ... in some better fantasy settings, its even said that the way they make their braids and add decorations to them reflects their clan, or social status ...
Shaving off the beard is worse punishment a Dwarf can get ... even death is not so bad in comparsion. :-/

And what we have in BG-3?
Bunch of mustaches, some fluff on your chin, and basicaly no facial hairstyles at all. :-/
Ok, there is *one* that looks like they actualy *care* about their beard ... others, well ... not so much. :-/

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This is good selection for Human ...
NOT for a Dwarf ... frown

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Exactly!
Beards are important for Dwarves ... in some better fantasy settings, its even said that the way they make their braids and add decorations to them reflects their clan, or social status ...
Shaving off the beard is worse punishment a Dwarf can get ... even death is not so bad in comparsion. :-/

And what we have in BG-3?
Bunch of mustaches, some fluff on your chin, and basicaly no facial hairstyles at all. :-/
Ok, there is *one* that looks like they actualy *care* about their beard ... others, well ... not so much. :-/

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

This is good selection for Human ...
NOT for a Dwarf ... frown
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As is the case with many games, we can only hope some kind modder will make some truly dwarven beards worthy of a king under the mountain. Most games tend to be lacking in facial hair variety anyway.

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Since all Elves have Fey Ancestry are they vulnerable or have a disadvantage against weapons of Cold Iron? They are classified as Humanoids in the setting, so I just found it odd.


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The following excerpts are from the maestro himself...

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Most good “fairy-stories” are about the adventures of men in the Perilous Realm or upon its shadowy marches. Naturally so; for if elves are true, and really exist independently of our tales about them, then this also is certainly true: elves are not primarily concerned with us, nor we with them.

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And lastly there is the oldest and deepest desire, the Great Escape: the Escape from Death. Fairy-stories provide many examples and modes of this—which might be called the genuine escapist, or (I would say) fugitive spirit. But so do other stories (notably those of scientific inspiration), and so do other studies. Fairy-stories are made by men not by fairies. The Human-stories of the elves are doubtless full of the Escape from Deathlessness.

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