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Originally Posted by teclis23
intentionally trying to destroy BG3
That sounds like serious overstatement ...

As far as i know, there was allready intentions to include neutral pronouns for players who desire them ... but it was either canceled, or shifted towards the release, since there was some problems with translations, bcs some languages (mine included) simply dont have such thing as "neutral pronoun" ...

So, if you be so kind ...
Can you please explain us how (i could ask why too, but lets keep it simple for now) exactly are WotC "intentionaly trying to destroy BG3" by demanding something that was allready planned? O_o

Also, just for the record ... i dont see in that article even single word about WotC forcing Larian to do that ... it simply states that this option was added in Patch 9. :-/

And even if it wouldnt ...
What exactly would it ruin? o_O
I mean, its not like everything that have specified gender would be removed from the game, players (who allready had option to pick male/female voices, beards, and body regardless on their sex) just got option to be called with different word, that suits them ... if you mind so much, simply dont pick it. O_o

Originally Posted by teclis23
this woke crap
Something to think about:

Today entertainment industry is ruined by two things mainly:
1) Woke crap being forced everywhere, no matter if it makes sense or not.
2) People seeing woke crap everywhere, no matter if it even is there or not.

Just ... think about it. wink

Originally Posted by teclis23
So you all agree with WOC removing the term RACE then?

And if you do agree with them please explain why you do?

Im curious.
Yes ...
Bcs i dont care if you call it race, species, specimen, type, kind, variety, strain, genus ... or i dunno sequi or some other utter nonsence ... anyway its just a word.

I heard it is important for some people, i dont understand their priorities ... but i wish them having fun discusing wich of our non-fitting words fits the most, bcs none will fit perfectly, ever. laugh

What i care about is that my Drow being indeed a Drow, not just an Elf with dark skin and white hair.
And vice-versa ... that is important for me. smile


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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I get not wanting to think about something all the time, I really do. However, D&D always had the makings of a "woke" game.

In this case, the potential sources and consequences of racism are dialed up by 10. It's doomed to focus on issues in society. You can't /make/ D&D "woke"... It always was. You can make a game that handwaves and understates a lot, sure. But, conceptually I think it's rather clear that D&D was always left leaning /if/ you define "wokeism" by paying attention to struggles and variety.

If you make a game where not everyone is best friends and the population incredibly varied... then focus on showing that, you're... "woke". Possibly, everyone living in harmony and not paying any attention to skill colour/sexuality/gender... That is. Err. A possible "woke utopia". You can't have a varied world and not be "woke" in some way. It's functionally impossible.

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Originally Posted by Silver/
However, D&D always had the makings of a "woke" game.

Not really, no.

Kingdoms are seen as forces of civilization and therefore worthy of preservation. Raiding tombs/crypts is a common activity for treasure hunters. Wealth disparity is a fact of life. Religion is widespread (including a religion of money, in The Forgotten Realms) and blatant atheism/agnosticism is rare (or deadly, as is the case in The Forgotten Realms). There are literal angels and demons/devils; hell, there are monsters that really are objectively evil. Frontiers are constantly in danger of being overrun by savage hordes. Violence is needed just as much if not more so than diplomacy.

D&D has more-or-less been middle of the road, politically speaking; people who assert otherwise are either ignorant or deliberately misleading others.

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Obvious troll is obvious.

Correct response is block account and not respond further.


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Originally Posted by teclis23
Have you all not seen all the content that comes out from WOC?

They are CLEARLY hardcore into this woke crap.

Im not crying wolf trust this is only the tip of the iceburg.

Blackrock and Vanguard own Hasbro who owns WOC.

Anyone who know what they are on about knows EXACTLY what these two parasite investment funds agenda is.

Just do your own research if you havent allready.
Oh man, do you give out tinfoil hats so I might join your club?

Being inclusive is not 'woke', it's called being considerate. I wouldn't concern myself with all the info you read up on the internet, it's harmful for your critical thnking skills.

The game has more serious problems than players using they/them or a single word being removed from the charatcer creator.

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Originally Posted by Silver/
However, D&D always had the makings of a "woke" game.

Not really, no.

Kingdoms are seen as forces of civilization and therefore worthy of preservation. Raiding tombs/crypts is a common activity for treasure hunters. Wealth disparity is a fact of life. Religion is widespread (including a religion of money, in The Forgotten Realms) and blatant atheism/agnosticism is rare (or deadly, as is the case in The Forgotten Realms). There are literal angels and demons/devils; hell, there are monsters that really are objectively evil. Frontiers are constantly in danger of being overrun by savage hordes. Violence is needed just as much if not more so than diplomacy.

D&D has more-or-less been middle of the road, politically speaking; people who assert otherwise are either ignorant or deliberately misleading others.
My opinion was stated on the subject of race/species and related problems. Exclusively. I think rather clearly, too. I don't engage with random people purposefully making bad faith claims.

"But, conceptually I think it's rather clear that D&D was always left leaning /if/ you define "wokeism" by paying attention to struggles and variety."

This is very important, you see, when someone claims this is enough to turn the game "woke". Either this decision doesn't make it "woke", or it always was.

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I'd be up in arms if I gave a shit. Why do you care so much?
-If it doesn't affect development scope.
-If it doesn't affect the preexisting vision for the game.
-If it is not mandatory.
-If it does not alter your experience of the game...
IT
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MATTER

Care less. It's good for your health.


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My statement about Blackrock and Vanguard owning D&D specifically refers to their lending practice called ESG which stands for Environmental & Social Corporate Governance.

ESG involves major investment funds and banks forcing woke propaganda onto companines. If the companies dont comply then they either get higher borrowing costs or their finance is cut of completely.

The main drivers behind ESG are The World Economic forum, Blackrock & Vangaurd (worlds 2 largest funds), Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg and George Soros.

This is the real reason you are seeing all this woke crap all around the world today.

Dont believe me? Just do your own research on ESG its not hard.

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You sound like an anti-vaxer.

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Can you prove anything i said isnt true in my above comment?

What i said is common knowledge and hundreds of millions of people allready Know this.

Clearly you dont judging by your vax comment?

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Here you g, everything you need to know about ESG and the Owners of D&D eg blackrock and vanguard:



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oh, pragerU "source" too, why am I not surprised.

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Ok.

Mate its real. Im an accountant from Australia and i see it on a weekly basis.

Just google it and you will get millions of listings pop up on google.

I dont see where you are going with this.

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