Originally Posted by pachanj
Wizards removed all reference to alignment in official lore and race.

No, they haven't. The section I quoted in the other thread, is, specifically, the section that talks about alignment and its very real presence and impact in the realms, still absolutely there and absolutely real, post second sundering. It's right there, in the handbook, in clear print. they removed *specific alignment requirements* from classes and races for player characters - that's not the same thing as removing alignment from 5e, which is what you've been claiming. Alignment is not gone from the realms, at all.

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the requirement for them was removed. [...] Wizards removed alignment in 5e.

These two statements are not synonyms. They mean different things. One of them is provisionally true if it is taken to mean that the requirements for specific alignments was removed from player character class and race choices... the other is entirely false... as the quoted passage from the PHB linked in the other thread spells out.

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It is not part of character creation.

Yes, it is:

Originally Posted by PHB, Chapter 1 (character creation), Step-by-Step characters, Section 4, Describe your character
"Using the information in the chapter 4 "Personality and Background," you can flesh out your character’s physical appearance and personality traits. Choose your character’s alignment (the moral compass that guides his or her decisions) and ideals. Chapter 4 also helps you identify the things your character holds most dear, called bonds, and the flaws that could one day undermine him or her."

Choosing your alignment is absolutely a part of character creation as laid out in the 5e handbook. It is 100% still something that the handbook tells you to do when creating a character.

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Whether you like it or not, alignment is not just some moral concept in Forgotten Realms, it is a literal physical cosmic entity that guides and shapes reality.

Yes, that's what we're saying - and it still is in 5e... as the passages quoted from the 5e PHB, about how it is a very tangible and real thing in the realms, illustrate.

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In fact, I find your insistence on ad hominem approaches to discourse pathetic.

No-one in this thread has directed any kind of ad hominem towards you; pointing out where your statements are incorrect is not an attack on your person or your right to feel the way you feel about how things should be.

Last edited by Niara; 30/01/23 07:58 AM.