Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
Originally Posted by Odieman
The thing is I stated something was official lore/canon, (which it still is), he matter of factly dismissed that claim based on what he "knew" was official lore. Hence why I got triggered, because he was so obviously wrong.

If most Paladins follow/worship a deity, (at least some, maybe many being given powers/being uplifted to Paladin by that deity). Then its quite reasonable to say that just about all the paladins who follow a deity are given their powers from that deity.

I’m afraid Niara wasn’t wrong and your quotes don’t prove she was. The only claim you seemed to make that either she, or I, objected to was that every paladin needs to have a deity and that only paladins with deities are supported by the lore, and nothing else made sense. If this was a misunderstanding and you are not actually saying this, and accept that it is both within the rules and consistent with lore for some paladins (however rare) to not follow a god, then again there’s no substantive point of disagreement here. We would all agree that paladins ought to be able to specify a deity but should not be forced to, so that we can satisfyingly roleplay “normal” paladins but also give players who want to roleplay valid (if more uncommon) paladins who have different relationships to their divine power the option to do so.

As a reminder, this is how the debate started …

Originally Posted by Niara
While Paladins in 5e, post Second Sundering do not need to worship any divinity directly in order to draw on divine power, and following a god is no longer necessary for a paladin at all, I absolutely support there being an option to tell the game what deity you do follow, if you follow one - the option must also allow a choice of no specific deity, however, as that's an equally valid choice in the setting in its present state.

Originally Posted by Odieman
Niara
I strongly disagree, it is absolutely necessary. I cant really think of any paladin Ive read about who didnt have a deity, on the other hand every Paladin, Paladin order etc I have seen mentioned are dedicated to a deity. In the case of Paladin orders, there are sometimes a mix of worship, but they all worship 1 deity. Just because WoTC have gone mad doesnt mean Larian should.

Yeah... look, the paladin should have the option to have a deity, or not have a deity. It makes sense that if "most" paladins have deities, we should have the option. However, since WoTC owns the property and defines canon and makes it clear that paladins don't absolutely need to have deities, they should also have the option NOT to have deities. We are playing by the rules of the lore, which is ultimately set by WoTC, past AND present, so...
Most paladins have deities (past lore); however,
Paladins without deities can easily exist (present lore); therefore...
Paladins with and without deities should be available options.

In all fairness though, you couldn't even choose a deity in BG1+2 IIRC for either cleric OR paladin? So at least having a deity available for cleric is already a major improvement.

Last edited by Zerubbabel; 30/01/23 05:37 PM.
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