Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Disguise Self to fool Shadowheart

Currently, if you leave SH to die on the ship and then approach her near the temple while disguised as another race - she still sees you as someone who left her on the ship. I think this is an oversight. There should at least be an Insight passive check or something. Or at least an explanatory dialogue that she identifies you through the telepathic connection. Also, if you play as a githyanki and disguise yourself to avoid the confrontation with SH, there should be some dialogue later, when you reveal yourself.

I had a similar situation with Rugan: I had used Disguise Self before I entered the Zhentarim Hideout, but Rugan still recognized me as the person who saved him.

A funny thing I noticed when using Disguise Self is that when you talk to a companion, the dialogue options change, and you can ask questions again that you had already asked in the respective companion scenes - even if you disguised right in front of them. The phrasing of the questions and answers is also slightly different, as if you haven't met before.

Or maybe the memory loss and difficulties to recognize faces are symptoms of our tadpole situation 😄

Disguise Self should just be removed it's imersion breaking and way tooo much work for little gain. But hey that just my opinion.

I really like Disguise Self, and I think it is very useful, too. You get new options too solve a problem, and you can avoid a lot of fights.
Disguising as a Drow, for example, makes it very easy whenever you interact with the Goblins, you do not even have to use the tadpole powers.

I like to play more "tricky" characters, for example a sorcerer with the charlatan background, and I use this spell quite often.

Yes, I agree! I was so impressed when I realised the effort that had gone into making the spell work. It’s not perfect (and I can see it does complicate things) but hope any remaining niggles will be ironed out. I’ve used the spell a fair bit with my trickier chatacters, and am looking forward to my Goolock run with Mask of Many Faces, and am intending to try the game almost never looking like “myself”.

Exactly the same! "Trickster" and/or "Charlatan are often part of my characters description and I always pick the Disguise Self spell when I can (and feel naked without it). I've actually finally landed on one "canon" character that will meet all those elements ^^ It's not relevant here but I'm just happy about it 😁

Funny enough, in my case, if I play a Drow, I will most likely disguise as a "Surface Elf" or something else unless I'm inside the Shattered Sanctum or the Underdark.
a) Some consider Drow as kill on sight, like Damays and Nymessa (so, for safety reason)
b) Some become useless because they worship/adore you or something and you can't have fun anymore (the Goblins at the Goblin Camp).

Like for the rest of my decision, I always try to use it in a way that makes sense for my character.

That being said, I understand that companions or NPCs can't always react to Disguise Self.
That would be a lot, like a lot a lot, of work behind the scene.

If it happens, I would be ok with it, of course. It's just hard to conceive.

Sidenote : at the minute, there are a few instance where Disguise Self is being recognized, namely : approaching as a Gith 1) SH at the beach and 2) Ellyka (the Tiefling observing the gith patrol). So, maybe more to come (but only on very specific situations)?

Edit :
Pretty much!

Is it?

Just keep all dialogue checked if *event* happened ... (if it happened, your character WAS there)
And when you are under effect of Disguise, bypass that check.

> Vendors will talk to you as if they see you for the first time.
> Nobody will cause you for a cryme, bcs it "didnt happened".
> Corpses will talk to you.
> Events will happen as if you get there different way.

Its cheap solution, but it works.

yeah i know but i can do the same with steath or when it comes to talking i can use checks. It's cheezy as is but at least with stealth i can pretend goblins didn't see anything at all and that is the reason why the whole base is not on high alert and that is why they don't attack everyone on sight.

and even that's ifffy... goblins just go missing that's all i guess? Gone for a smoke, brb or went to see grandparents next base over... If a new stranger comes in and your buddies show up dead you would think things would change a bit. You woundn't just go on, selling vendor stuff even if you are the last goblin in base. Or druid/tiefling in druid grove. Weird to keep doing your patrol rounds if there is no one left to guard that's why i prefer straight combat or none at all.



IF size was effected and i could change into a large character to block off doors more effectively or to have better reach with weapons and maybe if squeezing was a thing or cover and you could hide easier behind stuff sure i would be all for it.

That sounds more like Enlarge/Reduce which is a more useful combat spell admittedly.

Disguise Self for me is for fun, different approaches to non-combat situations. And yes, there will be alternative ways of approaching those situations for other characters, but I like having many different options that fit with different characters I am roleplaying.

You change race and you look smaller or bigger depanding on what you pick and what you were before... like i said wonky spell.

But i can undestand that, i was a bit hasty on saying it should be removed because people use it. Just because i see it as cheezy and i don't use it that's not really a reason to remove it.

Yes, you can look smaller or larger (by only a foot RAW, I think, so gnomes would be tricky for the taller races). But given it’s an illusion spell my understanding is you’re not actually a different size than normal. Which I guess could lead to some comedic effects in tight spaces .

The spell in 5e states that the changes are entirely illusionary so any interaction with the alterations will reveal their nature. "The changes wrought by this spell fail to hold up to physical inspection. For example, if you use this spell to add a hat to your outfit, objects pass through the hat, and anyone who touches it would feel nothing or would feel your head and hair. If you use this spell to appear thinner than you are, the hand of someone who reaches out to touch you would bump into you while it was seemingly still in midair."