Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
Yep, agreed.

I am aware that there are a host of non-PHB paladin oaths/subclasses, some of which sound from the tenets of their oaths to potentially be less necessarily connected to gods than others and it would make sense if part of the (out of universe) explanation for loosening the connection between paladins and gods was to support this greater variety. I suppose the same consideration applies to some extent to Oath of Vengeance even within the PHB.

I’d be interested if anyone here has any evidence that the sources of power for such paladins isn’t still divine in nature, though, even if it comes from the divine portfolios or domains in some cases rather than directly from specific gods. I don’t remember seeing anyone on these forums claiming that, and I had thought paladins powers were always still divine, but as I’ve said before on these forums, I’m a 5e newbie and am learning as I go with BG3 and certainly haven’t read every post here!

Indeed, The people I referred to who argue that The powers come from sourceless oaths (Ancients, Devotion, Crown, Vengeance etc), havent really done their homework imo. They see Paladins choosing oath in PHB without mandatory choice of deity, and come to that conclusion.

But I think most DMs who take an interest in The player characters backgrounds and so on would certainly Ask their players, ok But where do your powers come from, what deity/deities does your paladin worship/which one are they devoted to?

Then if The player were to say oh I havent thought about that. Or my character is unaware, and this is my explanation why/this is how he/she discovered their powers/ aquired them. Then The DM would work/collaberate with that player to answer The question. If The player wants it to be mysterious/ an unknown entity, then most DMs would choose a source for them imo (But not necesarilly ever tell The player/character). It might never come up in Play/game, But the DM would know smile.

Last edited by Odieman; 30/01/23 08:26 PM.

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