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#84324 14/08/03 06:46 AM
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Speed had 12 votes since my last jotting down
Prince 49
Armed 20
Halflife 8
the others range from 3-5

Well, well Kiya, You have just assigned your wonderful self a valid job to monitor the number of votes for two days.
We should all agree on stopping voting completely to find out the offender.
We may find a correlation between the number of up-votes on another game and down-votes on our. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
This monitoring should be recorded by the time stamp as well.

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I'm not a fan of the Old Testament virtues, DAD. I've never liked the tooth-for-tooth policy.


Me neither, and I prefer a neck for my tooth because I hate losing another one after. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

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We're both stubborn mules, let's graze on different meadows: Thistles for you and juicy herbs for me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


Hey, that was not fair, and I am going to graze right next to you on those juicy herbs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Now kick at me if you wish but I am going to graze on those delicious herbs too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Selfish mule. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />

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#84325 14/08/03 06:57 AM
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Hi Dad,

I'm going to address some of your concerns piece by piece:
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The Larian fans did not start the hostile activity but we were shocked to find that we are being down-voted for no justifiable reason.

We did begin with the ethical and good path and tried to passively keep our rating from falling but it did not work well.

Our Elite warriors volunteered to counter the attacks in a good way and we ended up having more than 5000 votes deleted.

Our path of maintaining Riftrunner's rating worked quite well actually. We did maintain our rating despite being downvoted many times. The fact that 5000 votes were deleted didn't really make me angry although it did trigger concern because even though so many votes were deleted, our rating remained unchanged.

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You may sing about preserving nature while sitting in front of your computer and in a clean and air-conditioned room; but when you sit on the ground inside a forest and mosquitoes feed on you while swarms of ants cut patiently and relentlessly at you to store you for their winter food you shall begin cursing and yelling “burn them all”.


If I were ever placed in this hypothetical situation, I would calmly assess my options and instead of swearing at the ants and mosquitoes, I'd simply move away from that environment. Mosquitoes and ants do what they do because it is part of the process of life. An animal may protest strongly against being hunted and killed by humans. So might a plant. It is said that every living thing is a murderer. It's sometimes a matter of perspective. Being aware of this dynamic might make you more forgiving the next time you see ants or mosquitoes. Remember...like you, they are also trying to survive.

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We may let those who practice anti-ethical procedures defeat us because we refrain from behaving in an unethical manner defending our ethics (contradiction)
We may practice anti-ethical procedures to defend our ethics (contradiction)

I admit now that both your actions and my actions might be seen as unethical. I along with others have voted for Riftrunner more than once within a four day period. This is definitely breaking the rules set forth by the site administrators of voting once every four days and could be considered unethical from a certain perspective. As I've said before, we have not been defeated by maintaining our ratings.

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Are we Larian fans or not?
It is time to make a decision.
We are either Larian fans or not.
We may not be both or none.
Are we Larian fans or not?


We are both Larian fans even though we may have different ideas about how to achieve the same goal(more publicity for Riftrunner). This is where we share common ground. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

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Are we going to surrender to their war tactics or fight back?


I am not really surrendering to their war tactics. To do so would be to not vote at all. I am not fighting back either as that would imply downvoting other games. There is no competition in one sense because I am simply focused on raising or maintaining Riftrunner's rating without a focus on what the rating of other games are. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />

Thanks.




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Logic dictates the correct procedure.
There is no meaning in trying peace after declaring war but there is a great meaning in declaring war when peace fails.
So let us give it a try with your peaceful ways Lockmar and see if they shall hand over the top position willingly. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" />
History taught me that this is closer to impossible but then, let us give it a try so that no one may accuse us for not tying peace first.

If all peaceful ways fail, I have confidence to see you in the frontlines with the Elite Forces Lockmar. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />



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#84328 14/08/03 10:33 AM
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What ever happened to voting every 4 years that was a pain in the rear?
God I miss those days this is much to stressfull for me.

BTW did I say this is a game, its not like electing Nixon, Reagan, Bush sr, Bush jr,... where the fate of the wold depends on it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

slowly clicks the link.


Not in the mood for cheese?
That excuse has more holes than a slice this fine Gorgombert!
#84329 14/08/03 11:27 AM
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The enemy is uncovered and the name is Bitmap Brothers and Ubi Soft.
They are the developers of both Speed Ball and the Prince of Persia respectively.
They had been relentlessly pumping their games and down-voting everyone else to come on top for publicity.
It is not a fans-versus-fans war but a developer publicity office against all of us, thus our enemy is frail and conquerable.

We may vote for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> again as usual to bring it up to 7.7 at least and then let us stop voting to watch the rabid down voting taking place. It is then that we may report the assault to the moderators to ban Bitmap Brother’s ISP from voting for or against anyone else to produce fair votes.

Am I talking wisely now? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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And if nobody help us against these people huh? We can start down vote against them too, if they can do this with us, it's completely fair we do this with them too. I can't see nothing wrong with this, if our game can't be the nş1 cause of this unfair voting, theyr game can't be too, so i can't see nothing wrong in play with the same weapons.


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#84331 14/08/03 12:45 PM
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Hi, Guys!

Still Number 1
Rating is at 7,58
Total votes 1278


So... what's the consensus?

<< scans recent posts... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ...pulls out reference books: Ethics 101, the Art of War, The No-Nonsense Guide to Terrorism, Backyard Ballistics ...whaddaya mean I can't have a single-malt for breakfast <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />!!!... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" /> slinks off to the computer room to "re-set" the modem and cast another vote for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> >>

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I think that my quotes of Maciavelli say alot.

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There are two means of fighting: one according to the laws, the other with force; the first way is proper to man, the second to beasts; but because the first in many cases, is not sufficient, it becomes neccesary to have recourse tothe second. Therefore a prince must know how to use wisely the nature of beasts and man Niccolo Machiaveli- The Prince


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If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.
- Niccolo Maciavelli


Not in the mood for cheese?
That excuse has more holes than a slice this fine Gorgombert!
#84333 14/08/03 01:29 PM
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And i think some people here are injured enough to want vengeance. From =~ 7.000 votes this down to =~1200. Reading other threads, some people here declared a war with vote thing, i'll not participe of this vote thing, but i think if the people of other side is using dirty game, you have 4 options:

1 - Try to vote the max what you can and lost cause they're cheating.
2 - Ask for surrender and forget about vote thing
3 - Talk with the admin people of the vote site and ask for justice.
4 - Play dirty too.

Maybe somebody else here have other solutions.


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#84334 14/08/03 02:27 PM
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Yes.
Leave it to the god/gods/holly cow to sort it all.
Riftrunner will not sell better just because it has a high rating on some god-fosaken site.
I do not participate in the voting.

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I think that my quotes of Maciavelli say alot.

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There are two means of fighting: one according to the laws, the other with force; the first way is proper to man, the second to beasts; but because the first in many cases, is not sufficient, it becomes neccesary to have recourse tothe second. Therefore a prince must know how to use wisely the nature of beasts and man Niccolo Machiaveli- The Prince


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If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.
- Niccolo Maciavelli



It was also Machiavelli who said that the strategies justify the tactics and laymen could not fathom, thus it was changed to “Goals justify the means”.

We are the fans of Larian Studios.
We love <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/div.gif" alt="" /> with all its bugs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
We appreciate extremely that Larian Studios have been listening to us during the implementation of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> .
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> is our game as much as it is Larian Studios game.
We want it badly and it is thus a most wanted game by our freaking measures. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
We intend to vote it as the most wanted game and we will succeed.
Listen to Machiavelli once more.
It does not matter how but it matters what.

In simple words, by hook or by crook we will bring our game up and if we detect someone bringing it down we bring them down too and burry them.
So bring the Orcish war drummers and follow me to the city gates.


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So you choosed the 4 option: Play dirty too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />


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1. riftrunner <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" />
2. spball
3. prince of persia
4. armed and dangerous
5. halflife2
6. DooM 3 .......DooM 3
7. beyond good and evil
8. duality ........duality
9. Breed
10.Strident .......Strident


<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" /> for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> ..... here!

one's for all and 10 for 1 !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" />

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#84338 14/08/03 03:02 PM
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So you choosed the 4 option: Play dirty too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />


Listen up Shyon, I would have loved a fair play and I would have accepted the results of whatever outcome with an Olympic-sports-spirit, but someone out there is playing dirty and has an interest in the top position badly enough to vote us down against the ethical rules of the voting ethics by repeatedly voting us down within an hour by more than twenty votes all with a value of 1.

I did not decide to play dirty because I like mud, but because someone already spilled mud on my head and I kindly wish to give them a friendly hug (me on top of course). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

So while I graze the juicy herbs with Kiya, I would keep an eye to kick some mule’s butt into the thorns where they belong. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

It is really a very personal thing here.
Those who have an inflamed conscience and painful morals may at least help voting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> up.
Those who are Survivors, Dark Elves or Green Orcs may wish to join me in my mud wrestling team.
All Imps, Dwarves and black ring members are certainly welcome to join efforts here.
We need to widen the rift between us on top and them below. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin1.gif" alt="" />

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i cannot help but to play fair i only vote every four days and i vote
my favorite <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> to the max and vote all the other ones down........ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
is that unfair or cheating....i think not!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />
i get my votes only 4 days apart and choose to use them to forward
my fave to the top, downvoting the others is not unfair.... it's my choice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />


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i cannot help but to play fair i only vote every four days and i vote
my favorite <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> to the max and vote all the other ones down........ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/badsmile2.gif" alt="" />
is that unfair or cheating....i think not!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" />
i get my votes only 4 days apart and choose to use them to forward
my fave to the top, downvoting the others is not unfair.... it's my choice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />




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Ah DAD using wisely the nature of beasts and man.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

9 other games to vote down, 9 other games,
You vote one down wait four days
still 8 more games to voted down


Not in the mood for cheese?
That excuse has more holes than a slice this fine Gorgombert!
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Listen up Shyon, I would have loved a fair play and I would have accepted the results of whatever outcome with an Olympic-sports-spirit, but someone out there is playing dirty and has an interest in the top position badly enough to vote us down against the ethical rules of the voting ethics by repeatedly voting us down within an our by more than twenty votes all with a value of 1.

I did not decide to play dirty because I like mud, but because someone already spilled mud on my head and I kindly wish to give them a friendly hug (me on top of course). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />



Yeah yeah i know what you mean, you're using justifications of actions from other people to justify your reaction.

This is normal in a world like what we live, we can't change other people or the world, we just can change ourselves.

If they're cheating, we can cheat too. But i'll not participate of this, like Death said, the game will not less or more cause of the poll of one site in this world, this isn't the best site in the world too.

But i'll not join to the other side too, i have neutral action, but my goodluck is for Riftrunner of course.

And like you said is a personal thing too.

Ah yes, i forgot, isn't for nothing but your other avatar was more nice, no offence. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif" alt="" />

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This game is rated:
7,61
Total votes: 1293

A lot of lo-co-motion. But don't forget to vote ppl.
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