Originally Posted by UnknownEvil
Originally Posted by mrfuji3
Shove interacts with the attack action in the exact same way that the attack action works, and Larian has already gotten the attack action (specifically, Extra Attack) to work in BG3. Thus, they could get the Shove action to work properly by having it cost the same resource as an attack.

I do not think that is correct.

I wrote it before but here it is again:

Actions like dash, disengage etc. will not allow you attack in that round. Shove on the other hand just "uses up" one of your attacks from the attack action (if you have multiple). As long as we do not have an extra attack declaring shove exactly as any other action would work i guess.

As soon as a character gets more than one attack per his attack action, that would fail because normally actions cancel each other out. You attack, you cant dash anymore and vice versa. If you use shove, you would not be able to execute your second attack anymore. Given shove is coded as any other action.

I still hope they change it.
My phrasing was unclear. I meant that is how Shove should work - it should cost the exact same resource as a regular attack.

Given that Larian has properly coded regular attacks to only use one of the X attacks a character might have, and as @Wormerine says Special Weapon Attacks ALSO work this way, this proves (or at least strongly indicates) that Shove can be coded properly: preventing you from using normal actions, but still allowing additional attacks up to the # of attacks a character has.

I think we're on similar pages in how we want shove to work. Imo, the Shove Distance is the most offensive thing currently. If I had to choose between making it an attack action or reducing the distance, I'd want the latter.

Originally Posted by The_Red_Queen
I think I have seen someone here mention in one thread that Acrobatics was always used to contest Shove in BG3, instead of Athletics or Acrobatics as per RAW. It’s not something I’ve looked into myself though, so may not be true even if I’m not misremembering someone else’s post.
Also, the rolls for Shove should appear on the combat log!!! That would make it so much easier to determine exactly what is being rolled against what. As of last time I played BG3, and from what I can recall others posting more recently, they weren't.