Originally Posted by FreeTheSlaves
What does that tell us?
Well, the complaint was that lacks of Racial stat bonuses leads to characters with exactly same stats ...
My argument was that this is not a problem of 6e bcs stat rolling caused the same ... wich i presented on very exact example.

What is your point i really dont know.

I stated a hypothesis ... simulated it ... and showed it was corect.
You ... made up some numbers that prooves that ... i dunno, there can be different situation or something like that? O_o
Well thats hardly shocking, is it? laugh

Originally Posted by FreeTheSlaves
You've got to compare like with like.
I can work with exactly same likes ... and my point will still be the same:

You roll 18 - 16 - 14 - 8 - 10 - 8

Half-Orc Barbarian will make his Str 20 and his Con 15 ...
Halfling Barbarian will have his Str 18 and his Con 16 ...

On level 4
Half-Orc cant raise his Str futher ... so he incerase his Con to 17 ...
Halfling will raise his Str to 20 ... his Con stay 16 ...

Their modifiers are exactly the same.
Therefore they are both juuust as strong as the other. wink

Originally Posted by FreeTheSlaves
Oh, rerolling is part and parcel of rolling method.
Wich is relevant ... how?
And, as the matter of fact, also to what??

Originally Posted by FreeTheSlaves
Nah, 6E designers have an overt agenda behind their decision to remove racial stat bonuses, and won't open this up to true feedback.
This may be just another case of my language block ... but i honestly doubt it.

In our country we define that word as "you tell us what you dis/like on our product and we will read it ... we may even concider including, removing or changing things according to your suggestion ... if we like it and if it will fit our vision, plsns, system, settings, budget etc."
But around here some people seems to read is as: "here is list of my demands ... make it so ... NOW!!!"

Concidering last two years around here ...
It seems that our reading is correct one.

Originally Posted by FreeTheSlaves
They act like they know best
I feel like this can be said about both sides.

Originally Posted by FreeTheSlaves
Investors know the way the wind blows because it's their money.
Quite bold statement ...
Especially after what happened to Cyberpunk ... i would understand that you may not remember older projects that was released unfinished after investors, shareholders, publishers, or otherwise called people who only cared about their money ... cared only about their money. laugh
But i would ecpect that Cyberpunk was both big enough, and recent enough for everyone to notice. O_o

I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown