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My 4 days are up;
This game is now rated: 6.79 Total votes: 1727
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[color:"yellow"]6,74 Total votes: 1741
and 9 minutes later = attack was done, from 1728-1747 = 14 downvotes in 9 minutes.[/color] Kiya
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Then down voters come in with 5 votes to bring it down to 6.5 Thank you Raze. I am surprised that you fully comprehend what is going on and my boycott suggestion to prevent suffering the vote-down queue and yet you voted.
We cannot help <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> go up that way. We need drastic measures to make the poll turn into a credible one. Let the rating go down and only down until there are 50 down-votes and try me. Let it go to “1.x” to drive the attention to what is going on, and cancel that poll altogether. Let them feel how much <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" /> is really wanted regardless of the silly numbers that are manually manipulated and admitted with a shameless face.
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ok, you say 50 downvotes?
They've done 14 in 9 minutes and spam alert didn't go off. We've had a few hrs peace, then after 1727 the attack started. Kiya
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Let them bring it down even more Kiya. A 1:1 voting up and down at extremes produce a 5.5 rate. (1 + 10) /2 = 5.5 So it could hardly fall below 5.5 unless the down voter spams. Self control is inevitable now because one single up vote shall shuffle them safe. It is very hard to manually realise down voting spam if we insert one up every 7 or 8 down. Let them feel happy and triumphant until they get caught or until we have a strong word to say. After saying our word we may apply new war tactics and send massive SHUFFLED up votes. No moderator can manually delete 5000 shuffled up votes unless he was a pimp.
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6,73 Total votes: 1744 ------------- [color:"yellow"]3 downvotes in 1 1/2 min[/color].
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This is so silly. The sitemanagers clearly don't care. No, I'm wrong. They're supporting some games form publishers who probably "sponsored" them or something. I been waiting patiently to see some logic in the voting and/or understand a patern. But there isn't. And that clearly becouse of fraude. I'm still telling myself to don't mail... But the urge to mail and tell them how I feel about them is growing really fast. And the idea to ad this old little virus (Romeo&Julia -Remember that one? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) I been containing on one of my secure HD's sounds better and better. It's so old that it won't do much harm, on the other hand, so old that maybe some of the new AV might not recognise it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" /> The voting is clearly corrupted. I prefer playing fair. And I think we've been doing that to long now. They have proven not to be fair way to often. I don't mind lowering myself to their level for once. It's really getting on my nerves. Need to do something... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />
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Don't sink to their level...it will do no good what so ever.
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6,72 Total votes: 1747
[color:"yellow"]3 downvotes again in 1 1/2 - 2 min[/color]. Kiya
It's interesting, about 20-30 Min and then the attack.
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That's what I mean. No attack, no nothing. They just do as they please.
Been keeping an eye or two on this for to long. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/memad.gif" alt="" />
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"I am surprised that you fully comprehend what is going on..."
Perhaps you give me too much credit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/silly.gif" alt="" />
"...to prevent suffering the vote-down queue and yet you voted."
If one vote triggers 9 minutes of down voting, wouldn't that help convince the site to examine the situation? Normal voting is not going to interfere with the identification of down voting, since it is statistically insignificant (by definition). If up voting 'provokes' other game fans to down vote Riftrunner, then it should have only happened once.
Not voting may help convince the site owner that there is deliberate, premeditated down voting for Riftrunner. That shouldn't be necessary, in a perfect world....
"Let them feel happy and triumphant until they get caught or until we have a strong word to say."
A vote boycott on all of the games would eliminate any 'they did it to' (regardless of extent) type arguments, and greatly increase the chance of the site owner listening to calm, reasonable complaints.
"It is very hard to manually realise down voting spam if we insert one up every 7 or 8 down. ... No moderator can manually delete 5000 shuffled up votes unless he was a pimp."
If the data is in any kind of reasonable format, the rate of voting could easily identify spamming. Votes don't have to be deleted individually (also assuming a useful format for the data), the sum of the spam votes just has to be deleted from the total, and the number of votes deleted from the total number. For all I know though, the votes could be written to a straight log file which gets overwritten every couple hours.
If the data is not kept in way which makes this easy to do, perhaps the site owner will change this in the future. A published graph for each game with the vote frequency each week for each vote level would discourage spamming; frequent up or down voting would be very evident, as would games with all 1 and 10 votes (I wonder if that is the norm...).
This could explain why previous adjustments dropped the number of votes, but did not change the average. They might have thought tracking IPs would be enough to discourage vote spamming, so only kept track of the sum and number of votes to any significant degree. Perhaps their apparent complicity or 'very sloppy and ignorantly managed site' all boils down to a poorly chosen initial requirement for their software. If so, they can not really do much without fixing this, and may not clearly see the benefit compared to the effort it would take to do properly. Maybe a vote boycott would illustrate the problem of relying on just IP logging.
Their behaviour could also be due to fraud / bias / conflict of interest, but their response to clear evidence of consistent down voting will refute or support that possibility. I would be inclined to bet they write the IP address for each vote in one file, increment the number of votes and update the sum, but do not keep all of the data for each vote linked, and are thus unable to compile or compare data in an effective manner.
OK, so now I'm in favour of a vote boycott again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/winkwink.gif" alt="" /> I was never against it, just wasn't sure it would do any good.
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the site is run by bush i tell ya! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> anyway so what are we gonna do!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> 6.72...1749vote keep voting..... or NO vote!!.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />...but what else? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/suspicion.gif" alt="" /> so we boycott then? this is like "the days of our lives" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> what's gonna happen next?? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ouch.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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[color:"#33cc3"] Jurak'sRunDownShack!Third Member of Off-Topic Posters Defender of the [color:"green"]PIF. [/color] Das Grosse Grüne Ogre!!! [/color]
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The last 2 votes (1748/1749) seem ok - they were single - let's give DAD his 50 votes. 20 are already there, then Dad will be happy and we try out a new strategy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Kiya - <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/alien.gif" alt="" /> <-- Lynn's official sign for peace
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During the past 70 minutes, there were 2 votes cast for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/riftrunner.gif" alt="" />, one vote each for Prince and Speedball, and none for any of the other top 10 games.
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The weekend is probably the most active time. Would that be long enough for a boycott to show a clear pattern? A week would probably be more accurate to show longer term patterns and prove any down voting was not an isolated incident. Maybe we should keep track of the votes until monday, then decide if more time would help based on that?
If there are no further down voting incidents, the site owner may not be inclined to do anything. Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
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Can't predict anymore, Raze - we'll see - the attack time has not started, might be 1 1/2 hrs later than now. But even the times have changed last week. I'm willing to patrol until Monday. Kiya
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This game is rated: 6,70 Total votes: 1758 This game is rated: 6,69 Total votes: 1760
This game is rated: 6,69 Total votes: 1761
This game is rated: 6,68 Total votes: 1763
[color:"yellow"]14 downvotes in a few minutes from 1750-1763, within 8-9 minutes [/color]
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Raze, I'll take a look at all top 10 and post reports on activity from time to time. Have already started the log.
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[color:"yellow"]14 downvotes in a few minutes [/color] In which time, there has been 1 vote each cast for Speedball, Prince, Doom, and Beyond Good & Evil. Others remain unchanged
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No voting activity whatsoever since my last posting.
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