Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Well ... they showed simultaneously, at best few seconds difference ...

Since this seems to be the main issue with what we're discussing I'll just address this.

The way I always interpreted the situation our party shows up after the goblins by a fair amount of time. The scenario is set up like this:

- We see Aradin's group at the gates begging to be let in.
- The goblins are loosing arrows at them.
- The goblins show up.
- Battle begins.
- The goblins have all taken strategic locations around the defenders. There are goblins just a turn from Aradin's front lines and multiple goblins have taken the nearby hill between where we appear and the gate.
- We finally get to act and are located south of the goblin raiders, who are between us and Aradin's group.

This really does not give the impression we appeared at the exact same time. If we did then our party stood still and did nothing as we watched the goblins swarm in ahead of us, which still shows a clear distinction in behavior between the two groups.

I dunno if maybe you and I just take different routes to the battlefield or something, but I think the big misunderstanding here is that we're envisioning very different battles.