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Originally Posted by Warlocke
No. Somebody politely asking you to refrain from a topic of discussion is not indicative that they care to discuss that topic. Obviously.
While that statement can not be proven either way if your response indicate that you care or do not care. This was before that had to with my modding game system on Pillars of Eternity 2 characters when you responded with huge facepalm picture and your response was the very first response to that post. If that is not a reaction then I do not know what is reaction?

Anyway after I considered what is fare to do I did put that specific part into spoilers and lets not discuss that subject you reacted with facepalm at least not outside any spoiler. If I discuss POE2 I do not need feel that I need to go into that detail level so deep anymore or if I do I will remember to put that part into spoiler.

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Been playing Hogwarts. Beautiful graphics, fun spells, decent story…but its major mechanic is literally “dress up your wizard by grinding”. So only a 6/10 for me, personally.

Did anyone here play Tyranny by chance? A shorter game, but I personally enjoyed it. Curious what other more hard core rpg gamers thought about it.
Actually not 100% true. You can optionally in Hogwarts if you want buy with real money cosmetics in the cash shop then there is less grind to get the cosmetic item. However you can not buy power in that game. Have not played Hogwarts, but I know it from the review. However this grind and lack of enough good cosmetic item rewards was the bad I did not say in my last comment.

You know there is lots of grind in WOW MMO and Neverwinter Nights ONLINE MMO yet I enjoyed them for years. Of course they had the ultimate carrot though grind for power and not oosmetics! Well ok it was some grind to get fastest horse in Neverwinter Nights ONLINE MMO to earn that took look time. That horse was example of things that does not give power it does not help in combat you unmount in Neverwinter ONLINE MMO.
Um, yeah... There's games which drive on beautiful cosmetics and games that don't. As far as I can see, Hogwarts would, for example, have you pay 20-120€ (from memory) for a slightly different wand. That isn't really comparable to a skin that makes your char look completely different.

The grind for power and largely pew pew spell combat are also major turn offs. I don't like the story at all from what I've seen of it. Maybe the writing is good, maybe it's horrible... but it just doesn't appeal to me

Politically, it's not the ultra left that condemns it (like communists) it's LGBT people and allies from all kinds of political leanings.

Whatever you think of this, almost everyone was united in their dislike for SIRona RYAN for one precious moment. Rumour has it Rowling's Manina Dress wasn't approved by their PR department. (This is a joke)

You are true about many things you say I stand corrected on that detail except LGBT usually are considered a faction within the left. Wired gave it 1/10 Hogwarts review and on top of that Wired Director defended later that 1/10 review. Well and Wired is generally very much left indeed.

This model of grind for power or to grind for cosmetics is like apples vs oranges I am not saying anything is wrong regarding that. It is kind of subjective taste what you want as gamer.
In a perfect world though everything gaming should feel nice to do and not like a grind though, but here is the challenge with that. If you have no grinding if you do not want people to complain it is to short game then it demands lots of work from the developers to create such a game.

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I've been enjoying Hogwarts, I'm not really interested in gear grind, but everything else has been pretty fun. I mentioned before that I got it really just to see Hogwarts and I've gotten that in spades. I've seriously considered just idling the game in Slytherine's common room while I read a book, it's cozy.

It's also interesting to see the influence Red Dead Redeption 2 must have had on it during development. There's about four times as much land around Hogwarts and Hogsmeade than was really expecting, and it's littered with dead wizards with tragic backstories, similar to RD2. It's also set in the same time period, but the Wizarding World's zeitgeist is as inconsistent as ever. I've never been a big fan of the world building in those books.

I think maybe people misunderstand what is interesting about Harry Potter, people don't want to be the next chosen one around which great events pivot. They want to be a student at a magic boarding school. It's not something you can easily gamble a lot of money on so I understand why it's not likely we'll ever get a 'Tom Brown's School Days but with magic' game anytime.

As it stand's its a decent entry into the canon of licensed games, it might become Harry Potter's Arkham Asylum, in which case we might get much better games later.

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I've taken the 'controversy' around Hogwarts as seriously as the one that happened to the Last of Us part II. If you're not terminally online, you might not even be aware it's happening.

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Originally Posted by timebean
Did anyone here play Tyranny by chance? A shorter game, but I personally enjoyed it. Curious what other more hard core rpg gamers thought about it.
Sure! Overall I liked it very much with few caveats.

On a negative side:
1) combat got very stale, very quickly. Small enemy variety, cooldown skills meaning few repeating moves on a loop. A classless system, which skilltrees that still pigeon-hole you into somewhat of a class.
2) Some big choices in act one that we spent most of the game just playing out
3) A strong feeling of "season1" story wise. Stings especially now, when it seems highly unlikely we will ever get a sequel, especially from Obisidan.

Good stuff:
1) nice pulpy world, with unique atmosphere and "time period".
2) Big fan of spell creator
3) Some neat multiple ways of dealing with final bosses depending on choices made throughout the game
4) Really intrigued with some of the concepts of the title and magic of this world
5) did power fantasy really well.
6) Opening conquest really cleverly allows us to define and develop our character and establish her and his relationships with some of the major players before we even get to play. Really, really effective opening - whole act1 is pretty great.

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Your #1 was what I enjoyed about it too! Pulpy is the right word, but I liked that it was tightly contained with a well conceived lore and presentation.

I like shorter punchy games these days, and I enjoyed it. A rich little story to play through once or twice for flavor or to try out different story paths. But def not at the large scale level of games like tw3 or bg for sure.

Agree combat got stale quickly. Would have been torture in a longer game.

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I'm just gonna leave this here and check out. (There was some discussion of Elden Ring previously)

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No. Somebody politely asking you to refrain from a topic of discussion is not indicative that they care to discuss that topic. Obviously.
While that statement can not be proven either way if your response indicate that you care or do not care. This was before that had to with my modding game system on Pillars of Eternity 2 characters when you responded with huge facepalm picture and your response was the very first response to that post. If that is not a reaction then I do not know what is reaction?

Anyway after I considered what is fare to do I did put that specific part into spoilers and lets not discuss that subject you reacted with facepalm at least not outside any spoiler. If I discuss POE2 I do not need feel that I need to go into that detail level so deep anymore or if I do I will remember to put that part into spoiler.


… I don’t know why you are choosing to bring up you wanking it to Pillars of Eternity and Skyrim again, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but please stop introducing divisive politics into discussions. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Warlocke
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No. Somebody politely asking you to refrain from a topic of discussion is not indicative that they care to discuss that topic. Obviously.
While that statement can not be proven either way if your response indicate that you care or do not care. This was before that had to with my modding game system on Pillars of Eternity 2 characters when you responded with huge facepalm picture and your response was the very first response to that post. If that is not a reaction then I do not know what is reaction?

Anyway after I considered what is fare to do I did put that specific part into spoilers and lets not discuss that subject you reacted with facepalm at least not outside any spoiler. If I discuss POE2 I do not need feel that I need to go into that detail level so deep anymore or if I do I will remember to put that part into spoiler.


… I don’t know why you are choosing to bring up you wanking it to Pillars of Eternity and Skyrim again, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but please stop introducing divisive politics into discussions. Thanks.
Please stop rude English. Your are utterly rude and use Brittish slang. I have never said I "wank" to games anyway you are now lieying and rudely attacking. I have never said anything that I do that in any forums and this is the first time I have heard that Brittish rude English word had to use google. You are now utterly rude and insulting. Well and even if you translate that word to normal USA English I have never ever said in any forums that I do such thing in games. You are lieying and rudely attacking.


Do you have any idea how small those portraits are in POE2? I even put a former Miss Finland to one of the characters in POE2 head picture and slightly bigger picture, but that does not mean I wank to some small pictures in POE2 which I have never said I do.
That I edit characters to look say more beautiful and charming is my right to do in my personal solo game. I simply like to have beautiful women as character pictures in POE2 and yes I might in process make the game for adults only in that regard. They are simply nice to look at, but really small pictures and I concentrate on POE 2 gameplay.

Actually if you combine Skyrim+Pillars of Eternity 2+Unreal 5 graphics that is likely roughly future game Avowed gameplay is (you control one character first person but Pilllars of Eternity magical world and lore and Gods), I would guess from what I have heard, but more magic then Skyrim that is the only on topic I can combine of your post.

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Guys, play nice please. i.e. quit objectifying people, talking about bodily functions, making sweeping political generalisations, deliberately provocative remarks and the usual. This topic can be discussed without aggravation: let's keep it civil. No "but they started it" and trying to have the last word.

If I have to ask again, people may find themselves uninvited, so let's not go there.


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About Hogwarts Legacy: there are no microtransactions in the game. All your stuff/spells etc. you get through playing the game.
It is a great game so far. I don't like the overuse of ( very realistic) spiders, but for that, I have a mod.
The story is very engaging, I just wish, your character had more agency. Your roleplaying is very limited. I hope, they might finetune that a bit.
But from the fun factor it is great.
Someone here mentioned that Sirona Ryan is universally disliked, I haven't seen anything about that. I happen to like her btw.


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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
I'm just gonna leave this here and check out. (There was some discussion of Elden Ring previously)

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That is a funny meme. Unless it is a genuine argument, in which case it is embarrasingly reductionist, but that's twitter for ya.

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About Hogwarts Legacy: there are no microtransactions in the game. All your stuff/spells etc. you get through playing the game.
It is a great game so far. I don't like the overuse of ( very realistic) spiders, but for that, I have a mod.
The story is very engaging, I just wish, your character had more agency. Your roleplaying is very limited. I hope, they might finetune that a bit.
But from the fun factor it is great.
Someone here mentioned that Sirona Ryan is universally disliked, I haven't seen anything about that. I happen to like her btw.
You are correct perhaps I misunderstood from a youtube video.

They discussed that on Steam last post about it:
"No cash shop at all. Steam requires all purchases in-game to be labeled as in-app purchases. On the official FAQ they have said the only purchases are the upgrade from base game to deluxe. Beyond that there are no other purchases or microtransactions."

Hogwarts Legacy is very good game and I wish you and all other possible players that play it happy gaming playing it. Personally I play other games currently, but it is possible I buy Hogwarts Legacy later when you can get discount campaign and I liked example very much the very first Harry Potter movie it was a classic to me.

J. K. Rowling is the author of Harry Potter books and I am absolutely a fan of her now.

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At the beginning of this year (or end of previous, w/e ... precisely after last PFH) there was not single doubt of my mind that BG-3 will be no competition winner of GOTY ...

Now, as i watch Hogwards and reactions on it ... im not quite sure, there is serious competition at least.


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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
At the beginning of this year (or end of previous, w/e ... precisely after last PFH) there was not single doubt of my mind that BG-3 will be no competition winner of GOTY ...

Now, as i watch Hogwards and reactions on it ... im not quite sure, there is serious competition at least.

I don't think so. Too much controversy around it. The problem is both sides have good points to make. For myself I don't think its fair to judge gamers on playing it, but also my commitment as an ally would preclude me purchasing it myself.

I have watched a few reviews, and a fair bit of gameplay and there is good and bad. I think Girlfriend Reviews got it right when they called it aggressively mediocre. Great combat, mediocre story and worldbuilding, few choices that matter. I think if people were being honest they would admit it's not 'quite' the game we were all hoping for.

BG3 on the other hand is going to slap and hard. I think is a sure contender for GOTY.


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I'm just gonna leave this here and check out. (There was some discussion of Elden Ring previously)

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That is a funny meme. Unless it is a genuine argument, in which case it is embarrasingly reductionist, but that's twitter for ya.
The meme is from the Elden Ring subreddit lmao.


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A couple of random thoughts regarding Hogwarts after having played through the story:

1. I agree that due to the discourse surrounding it (I use discourse lightly, it was more screeching on both sides), it's not going to get any official awards. Hell, we have official journalism sites NOT reviewing it (despite reviewing other controversial games that support not so great people)

2. It's genuinely a good game. The moment to moment gameplay is fun, the voice acting is very well done, the story is ..passable.

3. the best part of the game is Hogwarts, bar none. The size and complexity, with all of the secrets, FEELS exactly like I was hoping it to feel.

4. Siona was a fine character, the voice acting made it very clear that "oh okay, this is the transgender character", but I didn't mind at all, she came across as very kind and helpful.

5. if I may dip into the whole 'representation' thing a bit more, I will say that it was very obvious they were trying to be extremely representative. I haven't seen that much multiculturalism in a video game ..well, ever I think. Just in the professors, they had India, China, Korea, Uganda, UK represented, and that was just the obvious ones. It was a nice change, but it was noticeable.

6. I don't think it was ever going to make everyone happy. We had people wanting a school simulator, a full-on dragon age style RPG, etc. It's an impossible task, and they chose to stick with a almost completely linear story with some open world elements. I can see why they did that, and I think it works for the most part.

Final thought, "aggressively mediocre" is so very wrong in my opinion. There is so much passion put into the game and it's quality/polish is way above most AAA games these days. imo of course.

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I think if you go in expecting an RPG you will be disappointed, as it's more of an Action adventure game. So the people who wanted an RPG are very disappointed, and the folks who wanted an action adventure game are happy. So from that point of view aggressively mediocre is pretty fair - from a story perspective. The danger of course with going Action Adventure is lack of re-playability - as your choices all lead to the same place, just your character model changes.

It's why I stopped playing Cyberpunk 2077 - we were promised an RPG, and they delivered an Action Adventure game. Its just kind of boring to know that nothing you do actually matters - story-wise.

Hey, but what they did on combat in Hogwarts Legacy was really well done. So props there.


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5. if I may dip into the whole 'representation' thing a bit more, I will say that it was very obvious they were trying to be extremely representative. I haven't seen that much multiculturalism in a video game ..well, ever I think. Just in the professors, they had India, China, Korea, Uganda, UK represented, and that was just the obvious ones. It was a nice change, but it was noticeable.
I thought it was all the more interesting because is shows a regression in globalism and multiculturalism from what we'll get in the next 100 years. The Wizarding World isn't a one-to-one of the Muggle world, despite there being some crossover, but it never seemed to anticipate social development before, which I guess you'd expect from a insular and secretive society. There's very little of the era in the way things are presented outside of the costumes. I know I shouldn't expect anything like fagging or corporal punishment, but I would have appreciated a little more Victorian in my boarding school game. I haven't finished the game, but unless there's a severe tonal shift next act, I'm not sure why it needed to be set in the 19th Century.

Yes I was one of those people who when this was first teased years ago, wanted a school simulator.

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5. if I may dip into the whole 'representation' thing a bit more, I will say that it was very obvious they were trying to be extremely representative. I haven't seen that much multiculturalism in a video game ..well, ever I think. Just in the professors, they had India, China, Korea, Uganda, UK represented, and that was just the obvious ones. It was a nice change, but it was noticeable.
I thought it was all the more interesting because is shows a regression in globalism and multiculturalism from what we'll get in the next 100 years. The Wizarding World isn't a one-to-one of the Muggle world, despite there being some crossover, but it never seemed to anticipate social development before, which I guess you'd expect from a insular and secretive society. There's very little of the era in the way things are presented outside of the costumes. I know I shouldn't expect anything like fagging or corporal punishment, but I would have appreciated a little more Victorian in my boarding school game. I haven't finished the game, but unless there's a severe tonal shift next act, I'm not sure why it needed to be set in the 19th Century.

Yes I was one of those people who when this was first teased years ago, wanted a school simulator.

Firstly I have to ask; did you*mean* to say fagging, or is that a typo for flogging? I don't want to google it because I have a feeling it would not reflect well on my search history. Secondly, I think it was set in the 19th century to avoid conflicts with established canon. They had to go back a good bit to ensure they don't overlap with other major established history beats.

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5. if I may dip into the whole 'representation' thing a bit more, I will say that it was very obvious they were trying to be extremely representative. I haven't seen that much multiculturalism in a video game ..well, ever I think. Just in the professors, they had India, China, Korea, Uganda, UK represented, and that was just the obvious ones. It was a nice change, but it was noticeable.
I thought it was all the more interesting because is shows a regression in globalism and multiculturalism from what we'll get in the next 100 years. The Wizarding World isn't a one-to-one of the Muggle world, despite there being some crossover, but it never seemed to anticipate social development before, which I guess you'd expect from a insular and secretive society. There's very little of the era in the way things are presented outside of the costumes. I know I shouldn't expect anything like fagging or corporal punishment, but I would have appreciated a little more Victorian in my boarding school game. I haven't finished the game, but unless there's a severe tonal shift next act, I'm not sure why it needed to be set in the 19th Century.

Yes I was one of those people who when this was first teased years ago, wanted a school simulator.

Firstly I have to ask; did you*mean* to say fagging, or is that a typo for flogging? I don't want to google it because I have a feeling it would not reflect well on my search history. Secondly, I think it was set in the 19th century to avoid conflicts with established canon. They had to go back a good bit to ensure they don't overlap with other major established history beats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging

I assume?

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