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Yeah, no. It's not the first studio who became relevant with one high earning game... It's just low-key lazy reporting on their side, you know? "Break out title" conveys the information better 🫤

I do not understand lets stop this. I think it very good. I do not know they old games but Hogwarts Legacy is Elite.

Aha ok nice. I heard there will also become a TV series The Last of Us. I did like the TV series The Walking Dead it was not excellent, but good for me.
Hahaa The Walking Dead Tv series does not show the best of people. No peace and yes for war. Villains like Governor and Negan in TV series The Walking Dead make you really believe in mankind .

Walking Dead Tv series some spoilers:

Oh yes J.K.Rowling own words on Twitter after someone asked her: "how do you sleep at night knowing you have lost
a whole audiance from buying your books." J.K:Rowling:
"I read my most recent royalty cheques and find pain goes away pretty quickly."

I find that comment really lame asking like J. R. Rowling that and she is so rich that is hard to understand how rich. We are not talking about a few million net wealth in dollars, but it is unknown exactly how rich is J.R. Rowling.

It is not all I have not heard that that the game Hogwarts Legacy has Transgender stuff if anyone find such stuff please tell me that but no really not such stuff in that game. Well or have you heard that her books are full of Transgender stuff? No they do not have transgender stuff.

We already have LOTR TV Series that is totally garbage shit ruined in fact The One Ring TV serie is a disgrace to be released. LOTR movies were excellent.

Now Hogwarts Legacy sales are so high that there are not many games this year that can win that game in sales. Lets see example Diablo IV and BG3 how they do in sales vs Hogwarts Legacy? Even if they maybe would beat Hogwarts Legacy in sales fact remains this year Hogwarts Legacy very likely is among best 5 sales of games for year 2023 for sure! I have already bought BG3, but Hogwarts Legacy is absolutely on my buy list when it comes down in price a bit.

Diablo IV will I buy it? I wait for reviews if Diablo IV is pay to win game that is unknown. If Diablo IV is heavily pay to win game then perhaps I will not buy Diablo IV.

Of course thera are other big titles in 2023 example Company of Heroes 3 and Starfield and time will show how well they might sell.

Yes, Hogwarts Legacy includes a trans NPC who runs a pub, I believe. There’s plenty of chat about this online, so if you are interested then I’d encourage you to google it. However, I would then suggest taking any further talk about this to a more appropriate venue. There has been little evidence that anyone else here wants to discuss JK Rowling’s gender critical beliefs and how they have affected the reception of Hogwarts Legacy, and there are only so many times a topic can be brought up unprompted, particularly one that is well known to be controversial and affects people’s real lives, before it tips over into trolling.

Anyone who has played Hogwarts Legacy and wants to share their impressions, particularly with respect to any lessons it might hold for BG3, is of course very welcome to do so. And as vometia said in an earlier moderator intervention, it is even possible to discuss controversial elements of the game or its reception without aggravation. We just need to be civil and respectful, and mindful that these public forums are for everyone interested in Larian’s games, including trans people and their friends and families. But please read the room, and stop if you’re not getting constructive engagement from others. Repetitive posting of topics without any real display of interest from other forum members is out of line.

Moving on my focus on sales stand I believe very strongly Hogwarts Legacy will be among top 5 sales of 2023 game titles and I plan to buy it but not before one can buy it with clear discount.
As for BG3 it got a head start with Early Access sales I bought BG3 a long time ago so in BG3 case to sales should be included Early Access buy of course.

Diablo IV is such a big IP I would not be surprised if Diablo IV sells well at least if they can avoid to make it pay to win which is a bit unknown currently. Starfield might satisfy those player who want future SCIFI world and is a big title released in 2023 and Company of Heroes 3 offers a strategy game. I am sure many bit titles released in 2023 exist, but lets see how it goes and I mentioned as example some big titles.

I made some research and ironically looks like Nintendo console game The Legend of Zelda™: Tears of the Kingdom will sell most of 2023 release date games. i say ironically because personally not interested in none PC games.

I was reading some posts the other day of some people hyped for Starfield talking about how stupid people are that don't reaiize Starfield would be 'the biggest release in years'. And I was like... with Hogwarts Legacy, Diablo IV, Zelda, Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 2, Baldur's Gate 3 and Spider-Man 2 along with it being an Xbox exclusive I'm not sure if it will be in the top 3 games sales wise for 2023 (though it probably will be) - let alone the 'biggest release in years'.

2023 is packed.

I am not expert on how well Starfield will sell that remains to be seen yet many times it is named as big title for 2023. Personally my interest is more fantasy then SCIFI anyway. I did have added sigh Zelda™: Tears of the Kingdom to top selling games, but that was post you quoted me.

Well and this has been ongoing to promote games release in Asia or none Asia.
Personally I am not interested usually in Asia developed games due to their unrealistic and fast combat systems and top that with heavy pay to win though of course some exceptions might exist and yes many Western released games are also pay to win.

People tend to talk about the games they like.

There is one Asia developed game that interest me and not because it will sell most and that is Throne of Liberty MMO aka Lineage 3 that I will perhaps buy.

I am not saying it is wrong to like unrealistic combat. It is personal subjective taste. I have trained martial arts myself example Karate and Tae Kwon Do. In movies I tend to dislike martial arts movies that have unrealistic combat example people can even fly and stuff like that.

Now fantasy has of course fantasy stuff that is true not realistic, but I like if the melee combat and ranged example bow has some amount of fair realism to it. While many Asian games released is more about fancy looking moves and very fast (and stressful) combat gameplay. That is not all I find tab targeting very relaxing and nice. That said example Neverwinter ONLINE MMO that I played had Action combat and I liked it, but they did in Neverwinter ONLINE MMO makes the moves at least fairly realistic looking (if it is Hitpoints that is ok I am not talking about realism how much damage one can take and stay alive and able to fight) and not some flying in air stuff or a sword that is over 3 meters long.
Now this is subjective taste, but I like more like fairly realistic combat and I tried to explain myself.

IF, and that's a BIG if, Starfield is essentially Skyrim in space with a full creation kit, then I can see it easily being the biggest release of the year, maybe even decade.

There is just no way. Skyrim after being released a zillion different times on just about every platform is right around 30 million sales.

To put that into perspective in a decade worth of games... Red Dead Redemption sold 50 million, Breath of the Wild sold 30 million being on just one platform, Animal Crossing sold 41.5 million, The Witcher 3 is around 40 million and I believe Cyberpunk just recently passed 20 million. Diablo 4 was mentioned above... Diablo 3 sold 30 million copies, which is just as many as Skyrim.

Which is to say... Bethesda games have a very hardcore fanbase. I know I really like them. But I am not sure they are going to match up to 50 million sales when Skyrim has only hit 30 and has been their most successful title. This is also not to mention when GTA6 comes out in the next two or three years it is going to absolutely obliterate the sales of pretty much all of the games listed above.

Oh, I'm not talking about sales, I mean for me. With your logic candy crush is the best game of all time.

Small addendum... Skyrim sold over 30 Million copies as of 2016. That's not counting Special Edition sales after 2016 (it released in October 2016), Switch (2017), VR (2017-2018), or Anniversary Edition (2021). Now, that might not make it compete with RDR2 (50 Million... while RDR1 was around 23 Million), but it likely puts it into competition with Witcher 3. Right before the release of anniversary edition, Todd Howard said Skyrim had sold "far above" 30 Million copies, but declines to say how much (https://www.windowscentral.com/bethesda-game-studios-single-player-games). Skyrim is a weird case of a game having really long legs beyond release, which gives it comparable sales longevity to games like Minecraft (though definitely NOT on the same scale), GTAV, RDR2, and some live service titles (the same cannot be said for any other Bethesda titles though). I would say Starfield performs more like the Fallout series (just okay in terms of sales) rather than Skyrim, but who knows.

If Larian wants to give BG3 absurd sales legs, cultivating a modding community with easy-to-use tools (and maybe AI-based voice acting) could give it a life beyond initial release. That or free add-ons or DLC.

All of this to say that Skyrim is *potentially* the most successful RPG of all time (though not definitely... don't know how new numbers compare to Witcher... Damn your secrets Todd Howard)

Oh, interesting! I thought 30 million was the recent number - not the number as of 2016. Well then it is most likely competing with The Witcher 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 (although it has been out significantly longer than RDR2). But I would also agree with your assertion that Starfield is likely to perform more like Fallout than it is like Skyrim - just because the genre doesn't tend to perform as well as high fantasy. It is why I find it hard to believe that Fallout 5 will outsell or be more popular than TES6 when they both eventually come out. It's the same reason I'm not sure Cyberpunk will ever be as successful as The Witcher for CDPR and such. The only exceptions are if the fantasy game that comes out just isn't very good and the sci-fi, post apoc, etc. game is exceptionally well made.

The other exception to this is Grand Theft Auto... and I think this conversation ends up becoming meaningless in terms of "most popular game of the decade/recently" given that I believe GTA6 will stomp all of the other titles mentioned above. GTA5 is at like 175 million sales and that is obviously influenced by GTA Online... but you can bet they are going to put everything they have both into the single player and online mode. I see no way the next installment of GTA doesn't double up games like Starfield, Cyberpunk, etc. in sales.

I apologize for the confusion. You replied to my post mentioning game sales so I thought you were also talking about game sales.

I was talking about objective measures of popularity and success - not personal preference.

Your assertion that using my logic Candy Crush would be the 'best game of all time' is also off base, given that I am not talking about how 'good' a game is or my personal preferences. But yes - Candy Crush is likely one of, if not the most successful, video game ever made.

Bethesda has made very questionable brand decisions since the release of Fallout 4. There is little doubt in my mind that 76 (and ESO) is a cash cow due to its live service transaction components. But every "game" they've released since Skyrim has been worse than the last (and less notable). While Skyrim's longevity and success is amazing for Skyrim, it is not a good thing that a company's most "successful" or most loved product/franchise hasn't seen an installment in over 11 years.

Whether we like it or not, RPGs are a niche market, at least when compared to Action-Adventure or Sandbox. That may change in the future, but the most successful RPG is just lucky enough to compare to the best TIER of Action-Adventure and Sandbox. This is why a lot of games have become Open-World ARPG Sandboxes. Profit. Like shooters and battle royale.

Agreed. Here is to hoping they are not 'washed up' and have a few good ones left up their sleeve.


They are getting a bit played out, at least for me. Mostly because it is difficult to fill out increasingly large worlds with genuinely interesting content. I started Hogwart's Legacy and I thought it was great. About ten hours in I was like... this is the most repetitive and boring open world I have ever been in, because I have done all of this stuff in twenty different games before.

Actually why Skyrim became so succesful on HUGE factor same as World of Warcraft MMO. When WOW MMO was released it had very low system requirements.

You can play Skyrim on mobile phone. I did buy Catepillar (CAT) S41 5 years ago and it still works excellent despite I have dropped on hard concrete got water on it from rain etc.
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They made of Skyrim a verision that you can play even on Android.


Personally I do not think Skyrim is great game or my taste, however it system requirements is very low indeed.

I do have mobile gaming laptop. That said If I do a short vacation one week to other country then I will not take my laptop with me however I always take with me my old CAT S41 Android mobile phone.

Well and you can easily sit in a bus or train and use mobile phone to play or in a bed or sofa comfortable playing with CAT S41 mobile phone. Now I am not saying CAT S41 is the best for gaming of mobile phones, but it is durable vs physical damage or water and faster then CAT S31 in games or some other very low budget mobile phones.

Skyrim's current sales figures are closing in on 50 million. Witcher 3 is well over 40 million. CP2077 closing in on 20 million. Even Obsidian's Grounded has sold over 10 million. Starfield will surely be in the same box as these games, sales-wise, though BG3 surely will not.

Because low system requirements for Skyrim. Well and fools like me that believe reviews and I bought Skyrim for huge discount 10 euro. I will never believe again Elders Scrolls games are good despite whatever reviews say. Skyrim was annoying game for me not know what to do and its lore and world not my taste. Well and what is up with the general dull grey tone graphics in Skyrim?

I do not care if Elders Scrolls 6 would have even Unreal 6 engine I will never buy it!

Combine my taste and ES fans taste is it even possible? Maybe future Unreal 5 game Avowed is Pillars of Eternity world much more Magic then Skyrim and I would guess not so unclear as Elder Scrolls games. Exactly how much Open World or my taste Theme Park with crystal clear quests Avowed will be is unknown that is true. I do know that Avowed will be bigger area game then Skyrim and it is single player game from first view example compare to Skyrim or Witcher 3.

Now I am not saying Skyrim is a bad game for all people. It is subjective taste what games you like.

I am actually really interested to see how BG3 does sales wise. It's not exactly in a genre that is going to permit it to break any kind of crazy sales records (seems like you have to be mobile, child oriented, FPS or some big open world action title type thing) - but it is a pretty beloved franchise. Sven said sales were "insane" already and in October of 2020 it was reported that over a million copies had already sold.

I imagine it settles in somewhere between the 5 million and 10 million mark depending on how well received the actual release of the game is. I'm also curious what Larian would consider to be very successful given that the budget for BG3 has to be massive compared to D:OS2.