And yes – I want to trust Gale and take the majority of his motives at face value, because I like him, and I'll be annoyed if/when (and let's be honest, it probably will be 'when') Larian turn around and pull back the curtain to say “Ah-ha! He was actually doing THIS!!”, because I won't buy it, and it won't feel believable or acceptable to me.
For your sake then I hope I'm wrong.
I'm always on the lookout for proper rep for these styles of relationships, but it's rare to find one that is done well.
Yes the Kingmaker romance was a nice attempt but flawed - to my surprise I found myself liking Reg more than Octavia. Somewhat interesting representation an unhealthy relationship but Octavia wasn't a well written character, she didn't seem a real to life, more like a magpie's collection of personality traits.
You can convince him to stay and he will help you slaughter everyone but he feels awful about it - another place where his reactions and actions are at odds.
No, it's not... and I say that with as much regretful sincerity as I can for your position. It's simply not. If we wanted to go full behaviourist, we arrive at a point where every possible human social interaction is a case of manipulation and counter manipulation... because we always have some purpose or desire when we interact socially with someone, and whenever we have a discussion with anyone, we say things to them, and those things we say have a purpose and are intended to evoke some kind of effect, response or reaction – so, by that definition, literally every word ever said to another is a form of manipulation.
If you speak this lingo it's not behaviorist - indeed the problem with the behaviorist position is that it's all manipulation and that's
just fine because freedom is a feeling not a reality. It's just old fashioned social influence with a smattering of field theory some symbolic interactionism and some object relations to put a cherry on top of my manipulation analysis sundae.
But that's not practical, and it's not fair, and it's ultimately not a legitimate stance to take . . . I'm concerned that that is what you are doing, whether you are aware of it or not.
I think it's great that you've been so careful to check in on the tone so often - you will leave the conversation thinking your views on this are better and healthier and will do the same.
Indeed so arrogant am I that do my best to ensure that others see the world the way I do - I think it's a POV that helps people recognize and escape exploitive relationships.
My apologies, and nothing but good intentions.
As someone once said to me: "I'm not going to accept your apology – because to do so would be to affirm that you did someone worth judgement or reprimand, and you did not"
as you might have gathered from some of the things I wrote in the Minthara intimacy discussion.
I had gathered that, yes and has influenced my interpretation of your position. Am I right say that we see the same things but you simply see them and think
"but that's not a bad thing!"But, granted, manipulation is everywhere and, try as I might, I've not purged myself of the impulse to manipulate so I might have done so unconsciously - if so, I'm sorry.
Just trying to keep up with the rest – the irony I'd mention is that you don't let or tell Nettie to end you safely now – you tell her you'll end yourself if the transformation is about to happen... but until then you'll keep searching for a solution. Soooo.... you're also choosing to fly to NYC. You're going to keep looking for an answer, rather than immediately self-terminating because you're a danger to others. You're doing the same thing as Gale.
That's true - I am unduly influenced by the "avoid the game over screen" And it does weigh on my toon's mind - but there is a matter of scale. The four of us transform and we take out say 30 - 50 flaming fist and few clerics? Gale will take out 140K ?
I know there's a bunch of bits and pieces that you didn't choose to address or come back to, and I won't push it
We can end here or you can ask me to address something I skipped over - your choice
I did skip over the NYC discussion because you said that is something you'd rather not talk about in a open forum.
with respect, awfully fighty rabbit
