Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
Asking a vegan forum if people are vegan is not comparable
Well then i presume its good thing that i didnt compared anything, isnt it? wink

Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
The sample on this forum is not "people who hate shove." It's also not "people who complain about BG3."

that is by no means uniformly toward hating every gameplay aspect of Larian's design, or toward having a particular opinion about shove.
Look whos making strawmens ...
Funny, isnt it? laugh

I mean, yeah ... technicaly all those statements are corect ...
But as far as i know nobody claimed otherwise so ... what was your point?

Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
The sample here is "people who are interested in BG3/Larian enough to contribute to BG3-specific discussion."
Yeah sure ...
So, how many people around here "dont want to change anything"?
(Hint: 0)

Conclusion: The sample here is actually "people who want to change something in BG-3". wink
And that is what distorts your results. wink

You are asking people that want changes, if they want to support your wish for particular change ... and they do ... "how surprising". -_-

Really people ... statistic is not *that* hard ... :-/
I get that not everyone understands it, i mean i dont really to be honest, but im aware that is probably better word ... sigh ... you know what, let me tell you one simple rule that our teacher told us in first class:
Do you know how to recognize suspicious sample?
Too many people leans towards single option ... the more options you have, the more suspicious your sample is ... the more people leans towards same option, the more suspicious your sample is.

Take from it whatever you want. wink
Im done ... i explained this more in depth in the past, if you wish to read more about it ... either use search, or join some statistic lectures. wink
I have a degree in economics with a specialization in data science from one of the best universities in the world. I have had enough conversations like this with you Rag that I know it's not going anywhere, so I'm disengaging, but I think your desire to flip the script on anyone who disagrees with you doesn't express the points you wish to make. You brought up an example, I said why it wasn't comparable. I said the sample was about people playing BG3. You said it was about people wanting to change BG3 (NOTE: That doesn't mean everyone wants to change SHOVE). Now you are accusing people of not understanding statistics because they disagree with you about your particular take of a sample. It's not a perfect sample. But it's not as bad as you are making it out to be.

And there are certainly questions which would be uniformly one-sided that has nothing to do with the sample. Your position on that matter is actually absurd. Questions themselves can lead to a particular response, as opposed to the sample being nonsense. To appeal to an extreme, if I asked a random population if they want to die right now, they would probably give an answer that heavily leans toward one option. Is that a problem with the sample set? But if I asked people suffering in hospice if they want to die right now, they would lean in a considerably different direction. Is that a problem with the sample? Not if you are asking a question about whether or not people in hospice should be granted assisted suicide. Statistics is also more than judging if you have a "suspicious sample set."

Your example from your "teacher" is not a statistical rule. It's a suggestion. It's not even a lemma. And it doesn't universally hold.

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