Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
If Larian, the makers of the game and crafters of the world changed it, then people would take it, rightly or not, as them basically admitting they were wrong...
This is quite one-sided view ...

While i agree that people around here who wanted the feature gone would indeed take it this way ...
Im quite sceptic that people who liked it, or used it regulary would feel the same ...
Speaking for myself, when Larian removed something i liked ... i never felt like they admited that they were wrong ... i felt like they just succumbed to pressure that was put on them. :-/

And while i have no doubt that person who hated said feature, no matter wich it was ... will feel it like a small victory for himself ... and i totally get that it would feel good ...
What bothers me is that those people selfishly (willingly or not) make someone else feels bad ... while from pure logical standpoint (and yes, i realize you said it dont apply here, but i still feel like it should at least take some concideration, if not apply at full extend), they both could have feel quite happy ...
Maybe, well almost certainly, not as happy as one of them would be if it will go his way, no matter wich one of them it would be ... but still, quite happy.

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If i may use your metaphor, i dont think we should ask "Why my house isnt bright red, when i demanded it?" ... we should ask "Do i really need my house to be BRIGHT RED ... when i know it triggers my neighbour bull ... or will mild red, maybe slightly orange be acceptable?"
(And yes, i know bulls are colorblind, but you get it, no?)

The main problem i have with this metaphor is that we are not talking about single house that is whole yours ... we are talking here about huuuuuuuge tenement house, where millions of people lives ... and for some reason they have this odd tendency to keep talking others to how their respective apartments should lookalike.
I have my living room painted purple ... you have your living room painted green ...
I dont care about your living room collor ... and yet you demand that my living room have to be repainted to green, bcs you dislike purple ... :-/
Logic put aside as you said ... thats how it feels.

Now, i certainly can and do hope for that House owner (Larian in this case) will first do some research about what color living rooms in this house are, before they storm in painting everything green. laugh

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This is one of cases where i often mentions that best solution would be toggle in game settings.
It would be official ... it wouldnt require junky instalation of any mods ... it would give us both exactly what we want ...

I still dont see it as necesary in this particular case ... but IF there should be some change, this one seems most acceptable for everyone.

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Originally Posted by The Red Queen
unlike some folk who feel that fast forwarding through this stuff breaks immersion, for me it’s the opposite.
I will play a devils advocate for a second ...
And admit that fast forwarding, or send to camp actually is immersion breaking ... but only if used in tight spot.

Often mentioned is Goblin camp, once you kill Dror Ragzlin, all and every Goblin turn hostile.
Well, to be perfectly honest i find this situation to be immersion breaking itself ... bcs besides goblins in that particular room, and as long as none sound alarm ... i dont really feel like they have any way to know.
But puting that aside for a second ...

People often complained that in that particular moment, you should be driven in corner, have to think strategicaly about your resources ... that aply both on spellslots, or other class resources ... as to carry weight and encumberance.
Its true that it may seem little unimmersive that you simply click on "Emerald Grove" ad everything is resolved by covenient teleport around whole goblin army. laugh
And it dont really matter if thing you are teleporting is your party, or some supervaluable or heavy item you dont really want to loose. laugh

But yes, its still strongly situational.

Last edited by RagnarokCzD; 08/04/23 01:18 PM.

I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown