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As we read here and there :
" game director Baldur’s Gate 3 Sven Vinke spoke about a certain secret that he kept from the very announcement of the role-playing game. According to the developer, the players will find out what it is about only after the release of the final version of the project. “There is one thing, but I can’t talk about it. I have kept this secret for years and I will be so happy when the information about it comes out. I just hope people like it, because I myself think it’s really cool. From the very first day, from the very first day, I see people discussing something, and every time I say: “God. How I want to tell them … “”

So, what do you think it is ?

Let me roll for... Space fights in the Astral Plane !

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Well, the question is why does it need to be a secret?

1) is it for plot reasons? This seems most likely. Revealing it would give too much away.

2) Is it because it's a bit of homebrew that they are not sure people will like? I think this is not likely, Larian would want to get feedback on homebrew. I mean at least they know we don't really like BA shove.

I can't think of any other reasons to not reveal something but I am putting money on its a plot detail thing that ties into the Dead Three and has to do with some sort of interaction we have with them.


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1) Maybe we already got it? Minsc returning and being voiced by Mercer certainly got a lot of folks excited.

2) Some other big name character returning that isn't Minsc or Jaheria?

3) BG III is kicking off some big status quo changing event for the realms. Could happen. WoTC has done it before. (Time of Troubles, Spellplague, etc)

4) Some mechanic they have been keeping under wraps this whole time. Seems unlikely to me, as one would think they'd be wanting to test it in EA for feedback.

5) Crossover with some other game, setting, novel etc. I know I'd be surprised if IDK we meet the nameless one in Avernus, fight One-of-Many as an optional boss working for Myrkul or bump into Liriel Baenre or something. There's a lot that Larian *could* do here. Mercer's involvement makes me wonder if there's going to be some CR stuff in the game, or alternatively some mtg-related stuff since WoTC did a tie-in with the game.

6) Something involving the Bhaalspawn. I'm sure Larian known that absolutely nobody loves Abdel Adrian, so I'm curious how they handle the Bhaalspawn in BG III.

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I can tell you this: if it turns out to be just something plot or character-related, I can hardly see myself caring much for it.

Then again, if it's about mechanics or technical features, I doubt there would be any need of (and especially any benefit in) being secretive about it... So, yeah. I'm not exactly expecting to have my world rocked and keeping low expectations.

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I wouldn't expect something plot related, the whole plot is already a secret waiting to be revealed. My guess is a feature that we wouldn't expect.

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Originally Posted by Leucrotta
5) Crossover with some other game, setting, novel etc. I know I'd be surprised if IDK we meet the nameless one in Avernus, fight One-of-Many as an optional boss working for Myrkul or bump into Liriel Baenre or something. There's a lot that Larian *could* do here. Mercer's involvement makes me wonder if there's going to be some CR stuff in the game, or alternatively some mtg-related stuff since WoTC did a tie-in with the game.

If that should be true with MtG, then "Planeswalking" immediately comes to my mind. That would fit (Mordenkainen). It could even be a good justification for why we see Volo again... I believe that Larian could also justify side trips to or visitors from Rivellon. I just realize that I wouldn't necessarily like it.... Too many universes...
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Maybe the surprise is Swen revealing that BG3 is actually a D:OS game after all. smile

Tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I don't expect any Swen/Larian "surprise" to be much of a surprise to me.

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Yeah, I would very much not be a fan of mtg bleeding over into Forgotten Realms. While the D&D settings have typically had a degree of interconnectedness or at least common foundations through shared elements, I don't want mtg in my Forgotten Realms, particularly with the ongoing decline in mtg's storytelling. Let the settings remain separate and celebrate their distinctiveness. But it is an eventual possibility that WoTC has been toying with, even if we haven't seen them commit to it (yet).

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I think it is something plot-related. I can imagine that it could be something like this:

Originally Posted by Leucrotta
3) BG III is kicking off some big status quo changing event for the realms. Could happen. WoTC has done it before. (Time of Troubles, Spellplague, etc)

I must admit that I am very excited about the full release. The plot seems to involve a lot of parties already: we've got the Absolute, the Dead Three, Shar and her followers, Mindflayers, the hells, the Githyanki, and maybe Selune and Mystra ... (and I am sure I still might have forgotten someone). And there is of course our artefact, whatever it is, and the Netherese magic that might have changed our tadpoles.

Quite a few characters seem to be connected to one of these, in one way or another, including our companions (or at least I think so):


Shadowheart: Shar - and maybe Selune as well -, and of course the artefact

Gale: Netherese Magic and Mystra, quite intimately...

Wyll: the hells, via Mizora (I don't think she is just any random cambion, I would not be surprised if her father turns out to be someone a bit more important/powerful)

Astarion: the hells (his scars are infernal glyphs, maybe some sort of contract Cazador concluded with someone in one of the nine hells?)

Lae'zel: Githyanki, and also connected to the artefact

I wonder how our Tav fits into this.
Personally, I'd prefer if we were just accidentally dragged into this mess 😄

For me, it would be more fun if my player character is not the "chosen one", but just a regular person who is trying to make the best of all of this. I think "becoming special" is more interesting for a player character than being "destined to be special". And it allows for more player agency.

I am very curious how everything will fall into place.
But August is not that far away.

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Originally Posted by Lyelle
I think it is something plot-related. I can imagine that it could be something like this:

Originally Posted by Leucrotta
3) BG III is kicking off some big status quo changing event for the realms. Could happen. WoTC has done it before. (Time of Troubles, Spellplague, etc)

I must admit that I am very excited about the full release. The plot seems to involve a lot of parties already: we've got the Absolute, the Dead Three, Shar and her followers, Mindflayers, the hells, the Githyanki, and maybe Selune and Mystra ... (and I am sure I still might have forgotten someone). And there is of course our artefact, whatever it is, and the Netherese magic that might have changed our tadpoles.

Quite a few characters seem to be connected to one of these, in one way or another, including our companions (or at least I think so):


Shadowheart: Shar - and maybe Selune as well -, and of course the artefact

Gale: Netherese Magic and Mystra, quite intimately...

Wyll: the hells, via Mizora (I don't think she is just any random cambion, I would not be surprised if her father turns out to be someone a bit more important/powerful)

Astarion: the hells (his scars are infernal glyphs, maybe some sort of contract Cazador concluded with someone in one of the nine hells?)

Lae'zel: Githyanki, and also connected to the artefact

I wonder how our Tav fits into this.
Personally, I'd prefer if we were just accidentally dragged into this mess 😄

For me, it would be more fun if my player character is not the "chosen one", but just a regular person who is trying to make the best of all of this. I think "becoming special" is more interesting for a player character than being "destined to be special". And it allows for more player agency.

I am very curious how everything will fall into place.
But August is not that far away.

I am actually pretty certain that there is going to be at least one edning where we can go through apotheosis and become a god.
Alternatively I'm also 100% sure that we can make certain other characters become deities. For example, I'm quite convinced that as a Githyanki or as Lae'zel we can help Vlaakith to finally ascend to divinity. I am absolutely 100% convinced that this will be a possibility.

Another thing I'm sure of is that as Lolth-Sworn Drow we can make Lolth finally achieve her lifelong dream of usurping Mystra as the goddess of magic, (and honestly that would be such a cool af grimdark ending, I want it).
Maybe if we play the politics of Hell well We can replace Asmodeus with another archdevil as the Lord of Hell, although I think Asmodeus is actually a deity now.

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I fully expect it to be some sort of tie in between FR and the world of DOS2. Would be consistent with the DOS2 content already slated for Launch.

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Originally Posted by Brewman
I am actually pretty certain that there is going to be at least one edning where we can go through apotheosis and become a god.

I think so, too, I hope we get several different endings.

I'd like to see at least one of my Tavs going from being an average person to becoming a goddess.
Not because she's related to someone, or has something "special" about her, but from her own ambition, more like the Dead Three. This way, it could be really interesting.
But somehow basically all of my characters end up being to kind and nice for something like this 😄

Originally Posted by Brewman
Another thing I'm sure of is that as Lolth-Sworn Drow we can make Lolth finally achieve her lifelong dream of usurping Mystra as the goddess of magic, (and honestly that would be such a cool af grimdark ending, I want it).

The position as goddess of magic seems to be really popular 😉
Would also be a nice goal for a sorcerer Tav. But Lolth is a pretty tough competitor, I don' t think this would end well...

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Originally Posted by Ussnorway
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I like that the Mysterious Artefact is, basically, a fancy D20. How else could you design an all powerful object? 😄

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A series of 4th wall breaking, immersion shattering messages from the devs or even in world characters, to the players of the game, embedded at various points throughout the game like 'easter eggs', except that you can't help getting them in sequence as you play. The Larian crew and Swen think this is so funny and charming and endearing that they cannot imagine anyone not liking it.


Okay, with that out of the way, the only possibilities are up, right?

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Another form of shove?

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I think it's either a major secret plot thing that ties into the old games or the setting as a whole, or a character to be revealed. If its something mechanical, why wouldn't they mention it ahead of time? Unless it's a mechanic tied into an aspect of the story we don't know about.

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I'd settle for a more dynamic world where I could retrace steps and find new quests/npc's/enemies in places I'd previously visited. Doubt that will happen though.

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Originally Posted by Ranxerox
I fully expect it to be some sort of tie in between FR and the world of DOS2. Would be consistent with the DOS2 content already slated for Launch.

I severely doubt it's this. Firstly, because the DOS2 content are optional Easter eggs you only get with a deluxe edition, not stuff that's meaningfully embedded in the game world. Secondly, I can't imagine Larian wanting to tie their own setting to WotC like that. Any tie between the worlds big enough for Swen to be this excited and also to be bringing up the way he did would have to be fairly major, which could lead to awkwardness in the future when they continue with Divinity stuff.

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