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Concidering last Wolf video ... we were wrong. :-/
There is several details that strongly support theories that were talked about here ... that i totally missed. :-/

Cheers for sharing! I think the idea that we might be able to swap soul coins for hirelings to redeem their debts is really fun. Though hopefully if that’s in fact how it’s going to work it’ll be presented in a way that would mitigate any moral qualms good characters might have about using coins in this fashion . I have no idea how lore-friendly the idea is, though I’m sure some of our fellow forum members here will be able to advise.

I would love to go to the Witchlight Carnival in BG3!

That is a good point I had not thought about. Even if using soul coins isn't how you get these hirelings (I hope it isn't, I think just plain cash is the simpler option and provides players with more flexibility) what if you're playing a character who's against undead? Like say... most clerics of good deities would be? Then from a roleplay standpoint this method of hireling would be anathema to your character. An issue that the far simpler approach of just making hirelings hireable people wouldn't bring up at all. It's another instance of Larian just making things more complicated than they need to be.

But on the subject of the morality of using soil coins for this purpose, Larian could say that summoning them in this manner basically provides them a less terrible way to pay off their debt to hell and thus avoid going there, which is probably a good thing.

The Ravenqueen would be furious as well! If she and the Shadowfell are also part of BG 3 there really shouldn't be any inconsistencies. Other interdependencies e.g. with Ketheric, the Shadow Curse and Shar would all be exciting to fathom.

I dont really think they will be undead. O_o

I mean ... raising undead inherently includes some degree od defiling a corpse, and dark magic ... and maybe im wrong here, but i feel that is the part people (and gods) dislike actually.

Whiters (or however is that non rotting corpse called) strikes your name out of archives of Kelemvor, wich just make you not-dead-anymore.
I understand people would call it undead, since that name makes most in-universe sense, especialy if they *know* that person passed away in the past ... but it also feel like definition of such state is quite far from the true nature of this ... and therefore inadequate.

It just seems much closer to True Ressurection ...
And while i get your character still *can* mind such thing ... honestly i dont see any reason why they should. :-/

Im not sure about using soul coins for the hirelings.
Gold is fine and less "alignment challenging"

Im expecting we can use the soul coins with a specific trader or special crafting.

What is Withers going to do with all that gold? Is he building up his retirement savings? Does he have his own pocket dimension camp that he is sending money to?
I would be truly amazed if they come up with a motivation for his role that is remotely convincing.

I cant say for others ...
But in my gameplay he often buys all the useless s**t i find by the road.

That would work for me, presented appropriately in game! I buy what folks have said about these hirelings being resurrected rather than undead, and as long as there’s a way to make sure it’s not (necessarily) indentured servitude either, then I’m happy. I personally am definitely up for soul coins being used for hirelings from Withers and think it introduces an interesting story/motivation and different economy for these than just using boring old gold to buy mercenaries who just want cash. Plus if it’s soul coins rather than gold then to me it would feel less like the aforementioned indentured servitude (if it were cash I feel it should go to the hirelings themselves rather than a third party). I can’t think why Withers (or Jergal) would need money to resurrect the dead but it might make sense that they need the soul coins to work round infernal contracts!

Anyway, I guess we’ll see whose preferences are satisfied when we get more details .


I think I’d personally find the latter much more alignment challenging. If we can use the soul coins to buy the souls they represent out of servitude (or into our servitude if that’s the character we’re playing) that seems to me to make more ethical and moral sense than a use for trading or crafting that doesn’t have anything to do with the specific individual whose soul is in the balance.

But this is off topic speculation on something about which we have very little info, so I’ll stop doing it now!

I guess those hirelings are actually the people trapped in the nautiloid that did not survive the crash. If Withers can "resurrect" any of our companions, why not other character from the nautiloid. That´s why, in my opinion, he put bouth questions in the same sentence. As for the soulcoins, that would be a good way to handle not only the hirelings thing, but also "resurrection", since it would be more like a retribution for life or something like that. Anyway, I hope we can customize them and make as many hirelings as we want. I´d love to make one for each class of the game so I can test all of them in one gameplay XD.

Feel free to corect me if im wrong ... but soul coins seems perfectly alignment freindly. O_o

Evil characters get servats to do their biding ...
For Neutral characters its just good business ...
And Good characters offers them chance to redeem themselves from their sins ...

This have some interesting potential!

But if this will be the case, i wouldnt limit it to Nautiloid ...
I mean, i dont know how much problem that would cause ... but i really, really, really want to ressurect Kanon ... or Aradin if he die ... or Zevlor if he die ... or Kagha if she die ... or Minthara after we kill her, i mean if she die.

Regarding morality and alignment, it would depend on how the whole system is implemented, I do agree with you that if the effect is more like true resurection then morally that's gonna be fine, but again, if the system is couched in terms of indentured servitude or if redemption isn't presented as an upside, then it could still very easily come off as a pretty evil thing to use. It might not, but it's not a guarantee.

Also if the flavour were to be that Withers is specifically reviving people who were on the nautiloid, that works since they could reasonably be anybody and so we wouldn't be limited in who we create. However I don't think ressurecting other NPCs who were involved in the story in this manner is a great idea. It'd be a lot of work for Larian to have to square the circle of their past and possibly future involvement in the game with them being potentiallybound to serve us as companions. And if Larian didn't do that, then they'd end up just as empty vessels, which probably would remove the appeal of bringing them back in the first place.

Well, I was thinking about characters with a tadpole so they fit in the party and in the storytelling. Also, resurrecting other NPC could mess with the story somehow. It would be great though. We will always have Glut XD.

I was thinking about this potential mercenaries system ...
And i think i find one thing that kinda bugs me.

I planned to play all-Githyanki party ...
But what if theese will be pre-created characters only?

And what is worse ... even if i will be able to ressurect my own 2 custom Githyanki companions ... what if they would require Soul Coins?
Is the soul just curency ... wich would be odd, but acceptable.
Or did i just ressurected Githyanki that were so foolish to sell their souls to a Devil? I cant really imagine any Githyanki aprooving that, no matter the reward. :-/