Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - Suggestions & Feedback Shove/push ruin the game and I'm angry !

But what happens to the enemy AI with such changes? Does the enemy still use shove in the exact same situations, even though shove might have an action cost and/or reduce distance (thus likely wasting the entire enemy turn)? Does the enemy AI just freeze whenever they'd use bonus-action-shove but the mod has removed that option from the game? Or does the enemy AI actually take into account the updated action-cost and effects of shove?

Here is the Mod that turns the Shove into an action, I haven't tried it myself I'm waiting to play again when the full release comes but I left a post asking for feedback from folks who are using it.

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/264?tab=posts&BH=0

In my mod it seems the ai use a full action shove when they previously used a ba.

Awesome, first mod I will be using. That and one that removes duplicate/similar magical items.

You should wait for mine because the icon will also be changed so it does not look like a bonus action icon anymore 😁

Still, it's a pity that we have to fix it with mods, and Larian didn't do it by default.

I think it’s a bit too early to say that. Early Access was intended for Larian to get feedback and they got it. We won’t know what they did with that feedback until the game releases in August. It’s possible they’ll tweak shove in at least some way. I’m not holding my breath - I’d put it at no more than even odds that there’ll be a change, and unlikely they’ll go as far as many of us want - but it ain’t over until we get details of the final build.

Maybe he should have said "it's a pity that we still have to fix this with mods after 2 years of EA".
After the feedback they had, it is a shame that they didn't allow us to play EA with a balanced shove without mods. It literally take 5 seconds to fix.

Never underestimate what a supposed "5 seconds" fix implies, you might anger some developers and QA tester.

Could it be done in 5 seconds? If had the folders ready to do and just changing ba to full action....could get close...

The issue is larian didn't give us a chance to playtest some of the core 5e rules. If after testing so many players found we need hide as a BA for everyone...or we need diff shove rules from 5e..we could go fair enough, there's data, lets diverge from 5e rules.

If larian DO change rules closer to 5e I can already hear the complaints from some players saying they preferred it per EA.

Mostly sure no one would complain as each time they changed something.
Many people here and on reddit argued when "we" constantly asked a rebalance for backstab, highround advantage, lowground disadvantage, jump coupled to disengage, disengage BA,...

Did you see any complaints from people that were complaining about these suggestions after patch 5 ? I did not see any. I guess everyone realized that combats are so much better now.
It would be the same about shove... Especially if Larian add an item, a feat or anyhing else that allow players that really want to use shove as a BA to do it.

I didn't realize this was such a huge issue, but it should definitely be considered a full action and I'm sure it will be.

Maybe Shield Master could confer "Shield Slam" - i.e. Shove under a different name - as a BA?
Same for the "Athlete" Feat? Here called "Body Slam"? "Body Check"?

Pitching it to say, absolutely this should be a full action/attack


I have a barbarian who makes usage of shove constantly in combat in the ttrpg despite it being an action. Like it can still work!