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No Githzerai...
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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
More down to earth characters. It feels like this distinction of companion vs origin would have been the perfect place to introduce those sorts of characters into the party. Instead of Halsin, give us Nettie or Alfira. Instead of Minthara, give us Sazza. And the level of good in the party really doesn't feel like what their initial promise implied. I'm all for gray characters, but I'd have wanted more that were definitely a lighter shade of gray. So while I'm personally not unhappy with the party we'll ultimately get, I'm still disappointed in the lost potential of the roster.

Although it seems like we're going to already have two potential Fighters on our hands (Lae'zel obviously, and potentially Jaheira depending on what they do with her), I would nominate Aradin for this. No creche or hissing at me, and no long and storied history with the previous games, just a temperamental set of muscles for my party with a great head of curls.

It's a long way of saying I agree with this point. I'm very happy to see companions added alongside Origins as this helps us expand our roster and help maneuver through the pairs of characters that simply cannot and will not co-exist - which I think is a great thing - but I would like to see it expanded just a bit more. Maybe it will with time, who knows. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of this info dump so I could be overly positive at the moment.

Speaking of the info dump, there's a lot of stuff here that really has me jazzed. They threw in some non-PHB subclasses that I really like and was not expecting. Dragonborn look fantastic, and I'm a fan of Half-Orcs so that has me in a great mood. I'm interested to see what they did with Monk. Karlach looks incredible. While I was personally holding out hope for level 14 cap, a cap of level 12 is still perfectly fine. No Aasimars does bum me out just a tad. No party lock is huge and for some reason gives me hope that they may have budged on letting us choose a larger party size as an option but, again, the hype is making me overly positive.

Great update! July 7th can't come soon enough with its added information.

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IVe never been one to play the dragonborn race, with that said they look sick as &^&% Oh and Duergar, I may being doing my dark cleric of shar with this guy!! BAM!!

Nice work team. My head is spinning. Dwarven cleric or monk I may have to have multiple game going at once! lol

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Damn, moving the release date up... That's unexpected. Good stuff here.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
but the post implies it is just one more.
Thats what was said abowe ...
Im asking where ... what should i focus on to locate this implication?

I just cant seem to be able to find it. frown


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We also did a lot of work house-ruling this class, re-balancing Monks and giving them more Ki to ensure they feel powerful next to our other classes. So we're introducing brand new actions to play with.
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Anyone else see this? What could this mean?

I am pretty sure the community has been quite disappointed in the amount of home-brew by Larian and is this going to be another debacle?

I guess only time will tell. This also has me shuttering over how stealth mechanics continue to work, other "bonus action but should be full action" abilities and skills in the game, and reactions throughout the combat/game mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Zyllos
What could this mean?
If i had to guess ...
Then, since Larian introduced special moves with almost every weapon ... and since Monks dont tend to use weapons too often ... they get some actions that will be useable without weapons to compensate this.
Personaly im quite fine with that.

I really wonder if and how will by Open-Hand Monk use Dip with his bare fists. O_o


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Aren't monks the class that is a meme in the DnD community for being the worst one in tabletop? If so I am more than ok with some homebrew.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Im asking where ... what should i focus on to locate this implication?

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But she won't be our final Origin - you'll have to tune in to next week’s Panel From Hell: Release Showcase for that.
What does "that" from that sentence refer to?
that = our final Origin

So paraphrasing:
"Karlach isn't our final Origin - we will reveal our Final Origin in next week's Panel From Hell"

There can only be one final Origin - therefore I assume only one more Origin will be revealed.

Technically, Larian could reveal multiple characters and as long as they reveal all origins that are meant to ship their statement would be correct as one of them can be treated as "the final one" - but that would be a very weird way of phrasing it. They don't say they will reveal remaining origins or that is more to come - they say: we will reveal out final origin. Singular.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
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But she won't be our final Origin - you'll have to tune in to next week’s Panel From Hell: Release Showcase for that.
What does "that" from that sentence refer to?
Cant it refer to the reveal itself? O_o

Dunno, we find out in few days. smile
Thanks for explanation tho, now i know what you mean! smile


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No variant human? Seems kind of weird given how easy it is to implement. Regardless, I'm glad I won't have choose between BG3 and Starfield now.

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Originally Posted by Saito Hikari
Damn, moving the release date up... That's unexpected. Good stuff here.
Literally called out this possibility a few times in the last week alone (i.e. https://old.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat...m_panel_from_hell_for_next_week/jpwwo5b/ ) and some people thought I was being weird with my prediction.


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Originally Posted by Wormerine
  • @Icelyn rejoice - in addition to origin 4 companions have been announced: Minsc, Jaheira, Helsin and Minthara
Amazing news!!!🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻

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Just have a strage feeling about Halsin AND Jaheira as companions.
It means 2 druids for good aligned companions.
You can never have too many elves or druids!!!

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Up to ten companions - 6 origin and 4 non-origin - with more on the way.

I'm guessing we get at least two more at the PFH as 11 would be a rather odd number to settle on.

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I'm not sure if "odd numbers" is an issue of any kind when it comes to the number of companions, but I'm kinda hoping for some chance of some late addition to the cast.
It would be a a bit of bummer if we are locked with a range of companions that are all pciked from EA/Act 1 out of the first NPCs with more than two lines we met on EA, only because a bunch of weirdos immediately started simping HARD for them.

And frankly while the community put its best effort in making him come off as almost insufferable I don't even dislike Halsin as a first impression.
Minthara on the other hand is someone I can't fucking stand, so the hope would be for some better options down the line.

On the good news: no Alfira.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
Just have a strage feeling about Halsin AND Jaheira as companions.
It means 2 druids for good aligned companions.
Yes, and one assumed both are available only through good path. Not ideal, as it seems we won't cover all classes anyway - only increases my suspision that Helsin and Minthara are feedback driven additions.
It's even worse than this, because the other two "good" companions would be a ranger and a barbarian. So we'll have huge amounts of overlap across all four whereby making a decently viable party with just them will not be possible. frown

As I expected, as the final details of the game are revealed, my disappointments with the game are being confirmed one by one. The difficulty settings announcement was also a huge disappointment. Same with the level cap because that's going to make multiclassing not worth it.

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Good things -

I'm glad the number of companions is creeping up! I'm glad they are some good companions - I wonder if Jaheria will be multiclassed?

Glad they scrapped the party lock

I'm glad the Haslin fans got their way. And, as long as the Minthara fans respect the restraining order, I'll say I'm happy for them as well.

The press release was funny! While I deeply respect the opinions of those who disagree, I've been pleased with the writing thus far. I remain critical of the game mechanics and communication but I do think Larian has some good writers on staff.

Half orcs! I'm glad they went this route instead of "orcs"

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Originally Posted by kanisatha
Originally Posted by Wormerine
Originally Posted by Maximuuus
Just have a strage feeling about Halsin AND Jaheira as companions.
It means 2 druids for good aligned companions.
Yes, and one assumed both are available only through good path. Not ideal, as it seems we won't cover all classes anyway - only increases my suspision that Helsin and Minthara are feedback driven additions.
It's even worse than this, because the other two "good" companions would be a ranger and a barbarian. So we'll have huge amounts of overlap across all four whereby making a decently viable party with just them will not be possible. frown

As I expected, as the final details of the game are revealed, my disappointments with the game are being confirmed one by one. The difficulty settings announcement was also a huge disappointment. Same with the level cap because that's going to make multiclassing not worth it.
Has it been officially confirmed that Minsc will be a ranger? Wasn't he created when the barbarian/berserker class didn't exist in D&D, and isn't he specifically mentioned to be a member of a Berserker lodge? I've been wondering if Larian was going to change his class to match that...

I'm assuming he'll be a ranger since they made Karlach a Barbarian, but idk if anything official has been said.

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Jaheira was Fighter/Druid, although the Druid part was highlighted ("Nature's servant is ready!"). Larian could make her a Fighter who took "Druid Adept" at 4th lvl. Or Nature Domain Cleric.
Or simply heap various Fighter/Martial Feats on her - she will not go Mamma Bear on her foes, but Smash Skulls for Goodness Nature.

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Originally Posted by mrfuji3
Has it been officially confirmed that Minsc will be a ranger? Wasn't he created when the barbarian/berserker class didn't exist in D&D, and isn't he specifically mentioned to be a member of a Berserker lodge? I've been wondering if Larian was going to change his class to match that...

I don't think it's been confirmed, but though you're right he probably would have been created as a barbarian had the class existed at the time I don't think it could or should be changed now given that he's now so well established as a ranger in the lore. Quite apart from his trusty animal companion, Boo, in the "Heroes of Baldur's Gate" comics Minsc's now sprung-to-life statue is said to be of "The Beloved Ranger" implying that's how he's come to be known to posterity. But while I hope and believe Minsc will still primarily be a ranger, I'm sure Larian will find a way to give a beserker flavour to him, either through multiclassing, feats, or just homebrewing as I think BG1 did when it gave him the Beserk special ability.


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