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Cool stuff, thanks for sharing.

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I just realized ...

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Since there is only meele and ranged sneak attack ...
I gues this means that off hand sneak attack is not happening? frown


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There is another "Body Type" option in the first Tab with 2 options so I suspect that is masculine/feminine and then the Appearance tab will be a range of tall/short/fat/thin/muscled,

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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
I don't want to get hopes up too high, but you'll notice that you apparently get to choose a body type at the first screen based on the screenshots shown, and then you get to choose from those four body types later in the appearance section. Since the origin tab isn't exactly a summary, there's at least a chance we actually get four physical builds - average, buff, skinny, fat would be my guess. We'll have to wait and see though.
Curse you lol. That's what I get for not reading a whole thread before replying.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
I just realized ...

Since there is only meele and ranged sneak attack ...
I gues this means that off hand sneak attack is not happening? frown

I don't think that follows, given an off hand sneak attack will be with either a melee or ranged weapon I wouldn't have expected it to show on CC as a separate ability. I know that there are currently separate off-hand attack actions once we're playing the game, but given that's a peculiarity of the way sneak attack was implemented in EA and I think it would be confusing and should be unnecessary to call out a separate off-hand melee and ranged sneak attack ability when creating a character, I'm not losing hope on this one!

Very much hoping folk are also right not to lose hope on more body type variations!


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this is awesome news!. i had so much fun in solasta playing with multiclassing mod. larian would far behind if they couldn't even been solasta at it. now i like to see some multiclass builds!. here's mine not sure if it's going to work for bg3:

10 Paladin/2 Barbarian
5 Ranger/7 Rogue

Hope to see more build choices!

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Originally Posted by The Red Queen
I don't think that follows, given an off hand sneak attack will be with either a melee or ranged weapon I wouldn't have expected it to show on CC as a separate ability.
Well, thats an odd decision. O_o

Imagine you are DnD veteran and buy BG-3 at release, you dont read any guides bcs A, you know the stuff well enough, and B, you dont want to spoil anything for yourself.
Then you wish to create a Rogue and see this ...

Im only guessing here, but i feel like people would be quite confused.

Since as the picture stands, it looks like Rogue have only one atempt per round (and we know its true in EA ... and since we were complaining about it for last 3 years or so, Larian should know aswell that it isnt optimal laugh ) to land their main damage deal. :-/


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The rogue can make ANY attack, main hand or off hand, a sneak attack, and they don't need to specify until they know if the attack is a hit. In Solasta it simply makes it the first eligible attack that hits, I suspect the updated BG3 implementation will be as a toggle, so you can hold off using it if you want.

Assassin subclass will have necessitated changing sneak attack from how it worked in EA.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
The rogue can make ANY attack...
I believe you mean they should.

And yes, we know ... thats why we are complaining about the fact they cant. wink


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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
The rogue can make ANY attack...
I believe you mean they should.

And yes, we know ... thats why we are complaining about the fact they cant. wink
Nothing to suggest they can't in that screenshot. If they implement the ability correctly "Sneak Attack" is not an action. You just attack, and if it hits and it's eligible, THEN you decide if it's a sneak attack. So it makes no difference if the attack was made as an action, a bonus action, or a reaction.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
Nothing to suggest they can't in that screenshot.
Let me just ... highlight some things ...
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Seems like pretty stong suggestion to me. O_o

Also, i repeat for the third (and hopefully last) time ...
We are complaining about how it works *now* ... you know, during Early Acess ... when you can create your Rogue and *experience* how it (dont) work.

Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
If they implement the ability correctly "Sneak Attack" is not an action. You just attack, and if it hits and it's eligible, THEN you decide if it's a sneak attack. So it makes no difference if the attack was made as an action, a bonus action, or a reaction.
Again ... yes, we know ...
That is how it *should* work ...

Should work =/= is working.
=> Complaints.

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I think we all understand your point Rag, we just don't think it definitively points one way or another. You could be right of course, but there are other more hopeful ways to interpret the screenshot. We'll see ... perhaps in less than a week!


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I think that based on the screenshot, Rag's pessimism is justified. It defeinitely seems to me that sneak attack is still implemented as action. It would be very, very silly to do so, considering they have tools to implement it properly (either through reactions, or a toggle system). At the very least if 1.0 fails us, modders should be able to patch it.

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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that all that means is that sneak attacking is something that is done as part of an action, as opposed to being a proficiency (like the other stuff on the screenshot), saving throw, passive ability or whatever.


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