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Originally Posted by Warlocke
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*sneak attack* as in getting a surprise round and getting the accuracy bonus. Even cantrips benefit from it if you use hide.


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I will play my gnome arcane trickster as second playthrough. Since I played EA with her only a short while ago, I will go first with a bardlock, but I love rogues, especially arcane trickster.

Can we get sneak attack with cantrips and ray / touch spells in 5E like we do in Pathfinder? Can someone confirm?

No. Literally everything this poster said has been incorrect. I don’t know what’s up with that.
I recognize most of it, it's just that it's from other games.

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I've been thinking a lot about how to have a character that's motivated to be team tadpole, and I think I've got something. A half-orc monk who was delivered at the monastery because of their mother's shame at the baby's conception. The kid grew up knowing only the monks and other kids studying there, and always felt like an outsider not just on account of their race, but because they're the only kid who doesn't know their parents. Naturally, they're relentlessly teased by the other kids when the monks' backs are turned, and even though they're bigger and stronger, they can't do a damned thing about it because of the trouble they'll get in. This character has always felt put-upon and helpless, and has no meaningful understanding of the world beyond the monastery.

So one day, they run away to the big city. And the day they arrive in Baldur's Gate? Whoopsie, what's that in the sky? Is it a fucking nautiloid?

So, the tadpole power is their first opportunity, ever, to feel like they have meaningful control of anything in their life. I've never, not once, freed Saza in EA, but I think that's a no-brainer decision in this case, because this character will obviously relate to Saza's situation, projecting heavily and over-reading that feeling.

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Originally Posted by colinl8
I've been thinking a lot about how to have a character that's motivated to be team tadpole, and I think I've got something. A half-orc monk who was delivered at the monastery because of their mother's shame at the baby's conception. The kid grew up knowing only the monks and other kids studying there, and always felt like an outsider not just on account of their race, but because they're the only kid who doesn't know their parents. Naturally, they're relentlessly teased by the other kids when the monks' backs are turned, and even though they're bigger and stronger, they can't do a damned thing about it because of the trouble they'll get in. This character has always felt put-upon and helpless, and has no meaningful understanding of the world beyond the monastery.

So one day, they run away to the big city. And the day they arrive in Baldur's Gate? Whoopsie, what's that in the sky? Is it a fucking nautiloid?

So, the tadpole power is their first opportunity, ever, to feel like they have meaningful control of anything in their life. I've never, not once, freed Saza in EA, but I think that's a no-brainer decision in this case, because this character will obviously relate to Saza's situation, projecting heavily and over-reading that feeling.

I also like to think of motivations for why characters make certain crucial decisions. The choice to use the tadpole requires strong justification for me.

Good stuff.

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Originally Posted by ladydub
No one wants to play Rogue? Except couple of people who want to splash a couple of Rogue levels to multiclass.

Why is that? Are they bad?
I've played tons of games and most have these classes: warrior, rogue/ranger, mage, healer/cleric. So, I tend to try other stuff, this me though, can't speak for everyone. Also, rogue was a starter class, so it got a good amount of play.

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No one wants to play Rogue? Except couple of people who want to splash a couple of Rogue levels to multiclass.

Why is that? Are they bad?

I do, main Thief (in every game) but I had already answered that in older threads and didn't have the muse to repeat myself until now....

VHuman - Thief (12) joining the Zhentarim / The Guild
VHuman - Lore Bard (6) / Storm Sorceress (6) focus on heal and ice (air & water) magic

These two are set in stone.

Not possible yet Shield Dwarf Artificier (Guild Artisan) maybe with a BM dip but perhaps I can reflavour another class. But I am still struggling with it -.-

Last 4th party slot I am also struggling between:

Tiefling Berserker maybe multiclassing
VHuman Arcane Trickster (4) / Illusionist (8)
Any Fiendlock (4) / Necromancer (8)

Mostly to cover bounty hunting, interrogating (Speak with Dead) flavours. But hopefully I don't have to make hard decisions and can at least have a party of five...?
Was VHuman confirmed?

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Originally Posted by fallenj
Was VHuman confirmed?

Not yet, but I can't see why would they not implement it!

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Originally Posted by fallenj
Originally Posted by ladydub
No one wants to play Rogue? Except couple of people who want to splash a couple of Rogue levels to multiclass.

Why is that? Are they bad?
I've played tons of games and most have these classes: warrior, rogue/ranger, mage, healer/cleric. So, I tend to try other stuff, this me though, can't speak for everyone. Also, rogue was a starter class, so it got a good amount of play.

True. Personally i always lean towards Rogues and Mages, don’t even know why. Always played these two and their variants throughout my 20 year gaming career lol.

So which one is the most interesting for you in BG3?

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Originally Posted by Warlocke
Originally Posted by ladydub
Can we get sneak attack with cantrips and ray / touch spells in 5E like we do in Pathfinder? Can someone confirm?

No. Literally everything this poster said has been incorrect. I don’t know what’s up with that.

Seems like he’s mixing up 5E and Pathfinder big time.

Too bad tho, i think sneak attack with ray / touch spells is an amazing mechanic, Pathfinder Arcane Trickster is so unique because of that…and Extremely powerful.

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Originally Posted by ladydub
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Originally Posted by ladydub
No one wants to play Rogue? Except couple of people who want to splash a couple of Rogue levels to multiclass.

Why is that? Are they bad?
I've played tons of games and most have these classes: warrior, rogue/ranger, mage, healer/cleric. So, I tend to try other stuff, this me though, can't speak for everyone. Also, rogue was a starter class, so it got a good amount of play.

True. Personally i always lean towards Rogues and Mages, don’t even know why. Always played these two and their variants throughout my 20 year gaming career lol.

So which one is the most interesting for you in BG3?

Those are my preferences too. Ironically, the only games where my headcanon hero is a warrior is Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2 (Berserker Fighter).

Warlock and Arcane Trickster Rogue are my 5E favorites, and while it is close, if you put a gun to my head, I’d say Arcane Trickster is my favorite class / subclass and general character archetype.

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(Minsc should totally be a barbarian. Hopefully that mod is released quickly after launch)

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Originally Posted by ladydub
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Originally Posted by ladydub
No one wants to play Rogue? Except couple of people who want to splash a couple of Rogue levels to multiclass.

Why is that? Are they bad?
I've played tons of games and most have these classes: warrior, rogue/ranger, mage, healer/cleric. So, I tend to try other stuff, this me though, can't speak for everyone. Also, rogue was a starter class, so it got a good amount of play.

True. Personally i always lean towards Rogues and Mages, don’t even know why. Always played these two and their variants throughout my 20 year gaming career lol.

So which one is the most interesting for you in BG3?
Same, more so rogue than mage, but I do main a arcane mage on wow & mesmer on gw2.

When it goes live? Bard, Druid, ranger beastmaster (tend to like animal classes), & wild sorc (used to play a ecaflip on wakfu, gamble abilities are always fun).

Was hoping for gensai race and artificer class, not looking to good atm. Played previously for pnp d&d, a shifter spirit shaman & a psion something (don't remember the race), that would be cool also.

You?

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Still not decided, it will be wood elf Rogue or dex-based Fighter with a focus on hand crossbows.

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
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Was VHuman confirmed?

Not yet, but I can't see why would they not implement it!
By the same argument, there is no reason for it not to be in early access.


Apart from optional rule is optional, and Larian have decided not to take up that option.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
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Originally Posted by fallenj
Was VHuman confirmed?

Not yet, but I can't see why would they not implement it!
By the same argument, there is no reason for it not to be in early access.


Apart from optional rule is optional, and Larian have decided not to take up that option.

If it’s not in the game officially, it’s an easy mod to make (such mods already exist and only need to be updated for compatibility), so it’s a moot point, right?

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It's not moot because some people don't want to deal with mods and how they react to patches and constantly fixing them. Also patches on consoles are a more involved process and aren't as much of a given, even if people know they exist. I didn't know you could mod on consoles until I saw someone say so here.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
By the same argument, there is no reason for it not to be in early access.

We all know that Larian have anti-boring police department thats why I doubt they'll leave humans as is with no optional rules.

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
By the same argument, there is no reason for it not to be in early access.

We all know that Larian have anti-boring police department thats why I doubt they'll leave humans as is with no optional rules.
Unless they find people boring in a fantasy setting then...well, they stay ast hey are, forgotten and unloved.

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Originally Posted by Warlocke
I’d say Arcane Trickster is my favorite class / subclass and general character archetype.

Same, Arcane Trickster is my absolute favorite archetype, but Pathfinder kinda spoiled it for me - seeing how powerful AT is, 5E AT is... meh, power-wise. But still best RP-wise.

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Same, more so rogue than mage, but I do main a arcane mage on wow & mesmer on gw2.

You?

Hah, for me it is Rogue in WoW - was playing it on and off since late vanilla until shadowlands disaster.

But in BG3 ill probably play a Thief 9 / Gloom Stalker 3 multiclass. Seems like a perfect stealth character.

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Originally Posted by ladydub
Originally Posted by Warlocke
I’d say Arcane Trickster is my favorite class / subclass and general character archetype.

Same, Arcane Trickster is my absolute favorite archetype, but Pathfinder kinda spoiled it for me - seeing how powerful AT is, 5E AT is... meh, power-wise. But still best RP-wise.

Originally Posted by fallenj
Same, more so rogue than mage, but I do main a arcane mage on wow & mesmer on gw2.

You?

Hah, for me it is Rogue in WoW - was playing it on and off since late vanilla until shadowlands disaster.

But in BG3 ill probably play a Thief 9 / Gloom Stalker 3 multiclass. Seems like a perfect stealth character.
Nice, is it a mut rogue? Mained a mutilate gnome rogue on a pve server till wrath. Swapped over to laughing skull an duo'd with my bro till he stopped and just main that toon.

Ya, shadowlands was pretty bad.

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1) High (Sun this is Forgotten Realms still kthx) Elf Wizard, since i cant be my standard D&D Moon Elf persona which is Bladesinger this will likely be an Evoker named Erinstar Starshiner
2) High (Moon this is Forgotten Realms still kthx) Elf Rogue still debating thief or arcane trickster thief if my min max part of my brain wins out and arcane trickster if my rp side of my brain wins out. N'Vaelhar Naïlo, will be the Dark Urge Origin and fight against the urges.
3) Wyll playthrough
4) High (Moon this is Forgotten Realms still kthx) Elf Wizard Storm Silverrain because at this point modders will have modded in Bladesinger.

Astarion goes to the monster hunter in all of the playthroughs once i find out he is vamp spawn.

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