You can't get 17 without a stat bonus, 15 is max in 5e
Well, im no 5e expert like Niara ... But even i know this is not true.
Since it depends on wich stat determining method are you using.
When you roll > you can get 17 quite easily, even more of them if you are lucky. When you use Point Buy, or Standard Array > then you are corect.
And since the topic is about roll ... well ... i hope you get where am i aiming.
Originally Posted by crashdaddy
so they're definitely there, but now flexible (a +2 and a +1)
If everyone got "flexible +2 and +1" ... Its even worse bullshit than Tasha was, and that itself set the bar pretty high.
Originally Posted by crashdaddy
otherwise it would be pretty pointless to play a human when you can get the same stats with a race that gives additional benefits
That was my point.
CLEARLY these stats haven't been rolled, they're point buy, which is the only confirmed method of stats we have confirmed so far. Like I said, there may be options on the abilities page, but we weren't talking about rolling we were talking about the obvious point buy stats on the examples they showed. At least I was in my post which you replied to. And in case you're too lazy to scroll up, I only replied to you because you said it looked like stat bonuses were removed, remember? They clearly haven't been, so I really don't see why you felt it necessary to reply. I merely said there was a 'floating' +2/+1, which I think is great. You don't. Good for you. No need to waste your time on keeping a non-argument going. I know about rolling for stats, but we don't even know that's an option here so until we do, it's entirely irrelevant. But for the sake of pedantry, 'using the method we currently have in the game', it is not possible to get higher than 15 without stat bonuses. Happy?
I'm pretty sure that the Tasha's rules are by and large welcomed by most and are in fact the way it looks like the new rules for point buy character creation is going forward in the new edition. Sucks that you don't like that, but there you go.
Most people i know, including me are against a lot of the dumbing down of rules that tasha's has brought forth, so don't assume that you speak for everybody.
