Originally Posted by Beechams
Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
Originally Posted by Aurora42
Dragonborn is reptilians... that bear isnt a animal its a human...
The form of the Dragonborn, while having reptilian features, is still https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanoid
The form of the druid is on all fours, with a head that proceeds outward directly from the spine rather than upright, It has no distinction between hands and feet, having only paws instead, without thumbs. Its ears are on the top of its head instead of the sides. It bears (pun intended) a resemblance to a real world animal while the dragonborn does not, and so is more reminiscent of an animal than the dragonborn.

But don't ask me, ask the TikTok moderation team.

Look, if you're into that, more power to you. But I'm going to talk on this forum about how it's weird because I think it's weird.
All of that is complete nonsense.
You say a dragonborn is humanoid then say a dragonborn does not resemble an animal. What do you think a human is? What do you think humanoid means? '-oid' means resembling and the humanoid refers to things that resemble but are not human. Githyanki, for example, are humanoid.

Yeah. A githyanki is humanoid because it is not human but resembles one because it is bipedal, has a nose and mouth and eyes in the front of its face, has ears on the side of its head, and has feet with a heel and toes on opposite ends, along with opposable thumbs, and an upright spine.

I didn't realize I can go into nature and see a dragonborn in the wild. Man, I've been missing out.


Originally Posted by Beechams
You say a bear has a "head that proceeds outward directly from the spine rather than upright". Where do you think a human head "proceeds" from? From whence do you think the bear's head proceeds from when it is standing upright?

Please familiarize yourself with this article, particularly the portion relating to vertebral column and skull: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skeletal_changes_due_to_bipedalism

I'll help:
"The human skull is balanced on the vertebral column. The foramen magnum is located inferiorly under the skull, which puts much of the weight of the head behind the spine. The flat human face helps to maintain balance on the occipital condyles. Because of this, the erect position of the head is possible without the prominent supraorbital ridges and the strong muscular attachments found in, for example, apes. As a result, in humans the muscles of the forehead (the occipitofrontalis) are only used for facial expressions."

The skull of the bear is not balanced on the vertebral column. It proceeds directly outward. The skull of a dragonborn is balanced on a vertebral column. An upright dragonborn is looking outward when staring straight ahead. An upright bear (a real animal btw) is looking down when staring straight ahead.

Originally Posted by Beechams
Paws versus hands is just naming convention similar to flippers versus hands. The are differences between a bear's front and rear paws, they are not four identikit leg ends.
A bear is a mammal while a dragonborn is reptilian so technically, a bear is the closer to a human.

It's not about being 'into that'; it's about not having an attack of the vapours just because you saw it.

There's no vapors here. Just someone who thought fucking animals was weird and going to a forum to say it's weird. Not asking for it to be removed, not asking for any developers to lose their jobs, not asking for anyone to be cancelled. Just someone having an opinion different than yours on a forum, which is a place designed for dialogue. But it is an awfully defensive stance to have for someone having a different opinion and who is just riffing with others in the forum on how ridiculous it is.

Anyway, I'm not going to get into the difference between the variation of tarsals, metatarsal, and phalanges between human hands and feet as opposed to a bear's front and rear paws, but I think you should go through life referring to an animals front appendages as hands and rear appendages as feet from now on.

Mammals are closer to humans than reptiles. But, once again, last I checked, there's no such thing as a dragonborn and there is such thing as a bear. And the existence of a dragonborn, i.e., a reptile with human-like facial structures, bipedal morphology, opposable thumbs, and an enlarged head for a greater brain size would be one hell of a case of convergent evolution that I'd be inclined to investigate it for divergent evolution instead.

Though technically a bear is phylogenetically closer to a human than a reptile, the bear is closer to the left on this diagram, and the dragaonborn closer to the right:
[Linked Image from researchgate.net]

I came off as snippy and obnoxious here (not the first time). Sorry about that.

Last edited by Zerubbabel; 08/07/23 03:42 PM.
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