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Any ideas on how to handle the Commander Zhalk and Co. with stealth becoming a full action? My number one strategy was hiding and shooting bows every turn like a machine gun, leaving those devils completely helpless. But without this cheese, I can't wrap my head around a reliable way of killing all of them... any ideas?

I was able to do it legit with a barbarian Tav, Laezel, Shadowheart and Us, I used shield of faith on the mindflayer and hoped for the best. Honestly not that hard if you know the tactic but it involves quite a bit of luck. Else you can always cheese it with either explosive containers or by leaving a companion near a healing pod.

Use shield of faith to help keep the mind flayer alive.

I always did that, but I am talking about finishing not only Zhalk (who mind flayer with a fair bit of luck and buffs like SoF and a haste potion can do by itself), but killing all three devils. They drop some good stuff and I would like to requisition it for my needs

Don't they die immediately for staying behind? I remember my party burning alive for trying to go back into the previous room on the ship. Resulted into an immediate game over. Did they remove that?

I kill the flame-wielding fucker in every single playthrough and never once I did it through stealth, frankly.

That aside, I wouldn't be particularly mad if the item was removed entirely at release. I feel like its presence is kinda harmful to the weapon variety, in the beginning.

Yeah never had a problem with killing him, just hack way at him, while he is occupied with the mindflayer.

Yeah - I haven't used any of the tactics anyone mentioned here and I still kill him just fine.


Agreed.

Shield of Faith is good ...
Protection against Evil and Good is better tho, shame we can no longer make Shadowheart to prepare it.

There still are other ways ... and i believe there is even one scroll in prologue!!!

Anyway my personal way to cheese the s**t out of this final combat:
1) Take all explosive barrels you find.
2) Set them on the single side of entering corridor ... CAREFUL THO! There are fires, you dont want to light them too soon. Also make sure you dont block the path, otherwise those two other cambions will spawn on the other side of room and your trap is wasted.
3) Cast SoF and PaEaG on Mind Flayer.
4) Wipe out all imps and hellpigs, position your party on rafts.
5) Just keep sniping until additional cambions come.
6) Blow the barrels. >:] This usualy takes them to at least half HP, sometimes even less ... my most sucesfull explosion left one with 3HP and killed the other.
7) Finish the General with Caustic Bulb(s).

Tada!

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In worst case scenario, remember that he have only one attack per round ...
So if you have REALLY LOT OF TIME ... and patience ... and dont mind geting it all ridiculous ... you can easily defeat him by sheer numbers.
He kills one of yours > other of yours will "Help" them alive > another member of your party attacks > and repeat.

Its a long and tedious process, but its litteraly impossible to loose this way, even 1v2 is inevidable win for you.

Maybe I worded it wrong, but I was asking about killing the whole crew of devils, which equals almost three times the HP you need to slice through and they also have high AC and do pretty big damage to a level 1 character. The reason you'd want to kill the cambions as well is a good chunk of experience and some good wizard scrolls for Gale to learn. At least in the current iteration of the game.

Killing Zhalk only was never a problem for me as well, but the most I could get out of the 'fair play' is cutting through Zhalk and lowering one of the cambions to 10 HP, but then the mind flayers died and they quickly ganged up on me and killed the party. I am not the save scumming type, thats why I am looking for some legit and even cheesy suggestions that can pull you through the fight but without save/load shenanigans. The barrel trick I tried but it did some laughable damage to them, I think they are resistant to fire? May be you need to set them up to be as close to the devils as possible?

LOL, that seems legit, never thought of this. I always forget about that help thing because throwing a potion heals more.

Ok, i thought it was mostly the blade you where after.

First, yes, you can still have a character hang out by a healing station. Us, for example, can sit by the healing area in the room where you get Shadowheart. That works.

You can also have someone in the room right before the helm at that healing station, but the cambions that spawn have the potential to see the character and engage in combat, so it's usually better to do it from Shadowheart's room. The game won't end if you have one of your characters out there. (Of course, if a character in the helm area tries to leave, the game ends....)

I never do that these days. It feels too meta and I suppose "cheesy" to me.

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Another tactic is to just keep the mind flayer alive. I don't use Shield of Faith though, or I should say I rarely use Shield of Faith. That's a spell slot that's generally better saved for a heal or a guiding bolt.

Instead, I try to throw healing potions at the mind flayer and attack the commander, often with attacks that give conditions. Lacerate to create a bleeding effect, for instance. Daze to lower the commander's saving throw against Wis. Command to force the commander to drop his sword. Guiding bolt so that the next attack against the mind flayer has advantage. All of those attack types should be saved for the cambion, not wasted on imps and boars.

In addition to throwing healing potions at the mind flayer, maybe a well timed speed potion, as well.

Protection from Evil and Good is useful if you happen to have it available.

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Is stealth becoming a full action? Did I miss an announcement?

Doesn't bother me if it is. I find that I actively try to avoid using stealth as a bonus action, in combat.

Dont bother healing ...
That general is able to one-shot you even when you have full hp ... his attacks are (for me at least) most of the time either miss or kill, nothing in between.

Wich makes help incredibly broken ...
AI see an enemy with 1hp > they go for the kill > you ress them to 1hp > AI see an enemy with 1hp > they go for the kill > you ress them to 1hp > ... you get the idea. Basicly you turn your teammate to meatshield.

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Yes, they are.
It still hurts them tho ... it all depends on how much barrels you manage to blow close enough to hurt them.

Each explosion counts!
Even if each give them only 10 damage, hit them with 4 and half their HP is gone.

Remember that you can aswell stack them on each other (up to 3 in open spaces, not sure if there isnt limit of 2 in the corridor), add brain in jar on them, or bottle of grease ... anything that burns.
I also tryed to add Void Bulb and that one throwable thing that gives Piercing Damage and cause bleeding ... but that never had any meaningfull effect, or i just didnt noticed.

The rest, is up to dices.

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Nope, it was never anounced.
Its just something people noticed on their hotbars ... hide now have brown icon, just like other Actions, rather than blue, just like other Bonus Actions.

Explosive tanks +red hot F5/F8 buttons will get rid of the whole hellspawn band.

BTW - wasn't there talk about the Everblade being given some TLC as it is bugged, i.e. the only weapon NOT carried on back (which would be logical, as it is on fire) although the character bearing it can be seen putting it there for a fleeting moment, and which disappears during dialogue cutscenes?

Wow, I completely missed that. Thank you for letting me know.

Still learning new things even after all these years.

I love conversations which involve cheese. Just remember - one man's cheese is another man's lateral thinking.