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Your logic is that because kids have computers, nothing adult should exist on them.

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That M rating cannot stop 7th graders from viewing anything and everything that's going on in the world, who in turn share it with elementary schoolers.

That footage will be seen period. What's worse, Dismemberment, blinding, and torture because its "fun"; "Here you try!". If anyone thinks that if you commit such acts in a game,

that it will not effect you in real life, you are pitifully ignorant.


Now I am an adult. I bought the game, I can navigate it, and can use my own good judgment to make a good play through and enjoy what just might be my last ever video game.

There is nothing to praise Larian for, as this genre appears dead. All their hard work? Seriously? There best efforts I will never see, because it certainly wasn't made for me.

Any D&D series I played was about having the tools to stop evil, not become it. What I saw in the Shar cultist scene, made the Manson family look like the Brady Bunch family

picnic, and Sven is laughing maniacally. "Hey, lets go kill Jaheira and the Harper's, cuz they aren't fun". The man has made a trip round the bend, and ain't commin back.

What a bizarre post.

Firstly you should probably avoid personal disparaging remarks about the head of the company whose forum you're posting on. It's in poor taste.

Secondly, you clearly haven't played many D&D games as even as far back as BG 1 and 2 you could go completely evil and do some heinous things. In Wrath of the Righteous you can be a lich or even worse a swarm who consumes everything including his/her former comrades. In NWN Mask of the Betrayer you could be a soul eater who consumes the very souls of sentient beings, lorewise a fate worse than death by an order of magnitude. Going evil has been an option in these types of games for a long, long time.

You'll be able to play a goodie goodie, calm your knickers mate.


Bizarre?

My logic is irrefutably sound. Kids are tech savvy, see everything, and emulate the behaviors they see. What planet do you live on?

I have no allegiance to Sven. He was banned from Tik Tok for a reason, again my reasoning is not from some bizarre island.

Not played BG1 and 2? I don't recall such a backlash from ANY D&D title before, and if so, not like this. On a number of fronts actually. Larian clearly doesn't have the pulse of the community.

This forum has few posters and for every complaint here you can be assured there are proportional number of like minded players in the community.

There are millions of fans do the math.


Just calling someone bizzare is not an argument and quite lazy. If "goody goody" means I understand right from wrong than I own it.


Finally this isn't about me. I work with autistic kids (of all kinds). Even the non-verbal intellectual disability kids are surprisingly intuitive.

Sven aired his crap publicly. Things that should have stayed locked behind choice walls. Hell I didn't want to see such childish nonsense.

The other poster was right though, it is really crappy to personally attack the boss ( or any of the people working at Larians) in their own forum. You can say your piece without getting personal.


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We shouldn't decide on what's "good" or "bad" in an M-rated game depending on whether kids will see it or not.

Back in the day on Sega Genesis and arcades we had Mortal Kombat where we had fatalities like ripping a heart from the chest.

Torture and dismemberment happen in horror movies.

Grand Theft Auto games allow you to run over pedestrians and kill indiscriminately.

Kids will always get ahold of media they shouldn't have access to. Or we think they shouldn't have access to.

It's not up to the companies to keep them out of the reach of children.

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Originally Posted by colinl8
When Swen said "kids, including my own, don't watch this," I assumed it was normal stuff that like yeah, isn't age appropriate for early teens by stupid american standards, but is also just being a human being so that warning (I assumed) was intended for puritanical nonsense situations.

Then I watched softcore bear stuff with one of my kids. He's 14, I think if he gets the humor he'd try to hide that because I'm sure that's what I would have done in a similar situation at that age.

Little dude loves D&D. DMing is a lot of energy that I just don't have, and a computer game that makes that happen is rad. In EA he's been able to play with me making sure it's all as close to age-appropriate as possible.

I really, really hope the content filter options are straightforward and profile-dependent. Little mate loves d&d, loves the game, and keeping it age appropriate hasn't been difficult in EA, but I missed the mark today.
Gets warned not to let kids see it. Let's kids see it.

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The other poster was right though, it is really crappy to personally attack the boss ( or any of the people working at Larians) in their own forum. You can say your piece without getting personal.

Its not just crappy actually, its against the forum rules. I advocate for everyone to try and calm down on the matter, is it really worth such a heated debate?

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Originally Posted by Grizzmyt
My logic is irrefutably sound. Kids are tech savvy, see everything, and emulate the behaviors they see. What planet do you live on?

Real one. Adult stuff existed long before BG3. Never saw your dad's adult magazines? Never saw the Alien rip our someone's face on tv? Never took a sneak peak inside a sex-shop? Come on, children are exposed to a lot of things, there is no stopping it, as a parent your job is to explain things, not cover their eyes.

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Not played BG1 and 2? I don't recall such a backlash from ANY D&D title before, and if so, not like this. On a number of fronts actually. Larian clearly doesn't have the pulse of the community.
A lot of games got backlash from showing adult stuff. Remember Mass Effect? Hell, I don't live in the US and still heard the Fox News... news. What difference does the brand make? D&D was shunned as a satanic cult 40 or so years back, talk about backlash.

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This forum has few posters and for every complaint here you can be assured there are proportional number of like minded players in the community.

There are millions of fans do the math.

Eh, wouldn't really bet my money on that. We clearly won't settle this one, but the only people following games on forums are the ones who who have strong feeling about them - usually negative ones. The vast majority of people don't care enough.

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Finally this isn't about me. I work with autistic kids (of all kinds). Even the non-verbal intellectual disability kids are surprisingly intuitive.
Ok, as a mother to an autistic kid this struck a nerve. "Think of the children" is not an argument. Period.

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Sven aired his crap publicly. Things that should have stayed locked behind choice walls. Hell I didn't want to see such childish nonsense.
He gave fans what they wanted. Funny how democracy works.

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My discomfort wasn't with the scene's sexuality or the use of an animal form. It was the juxtaposition of a smaller, to my eye cowering, figure and a partner who abruptly turned into a thousand pound bear and said that when he's aroused he has trouble controlling himself. I'm pretty sure I'd have much the same reaction if my character had agreed to a romantic assignation with Bruce Banner, and he abruptly turned into the Hulk. Larian could have utilized the bear form in an encounter that was playful and/or tender (affirming the underlying humanity and mutual concern of both partners) rather than rooted in what felt to me like physical intimidation.

Perhaps this scene was designed specifically for Halsin and Astarian. However, as someone who views consent more as an on-going dance, rather than one partner's just saying "OK" and praying that the other partner's admitted lack of control doesn't result in them receiving serious physical injuries. What's funny as a cut scene between npcs, isn't necessarily funny when you subtitute a player character hoping for romance into scene.

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"Things that should have stayed locked behind choice walls."


Ima quote myself here. All this could have been avoided with discretion.

Sven should really make a public apology, both to the community and abroad, for showing content that should have only be seen by a niche audience and then only if they somehow unlocked it for their own viewing.

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I'm not sure why we need to be nice to Sven just because he's the head of the company, that's silly. He deserves as much respect as anyone else here, which is to say, we shouldn't be resorting to personal attacks regardless.

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Originally Posted by Imryll
Larian could have utilized the bear form in an encounter that was playful and/or tender (affirming the underlying humanity and mutual concern of both partners) rather than rooted in what felt to me like physical intimidation.

This would've been amazing.

Hopefully, since there are other options to choose, the scene can be explored in ways more like this one.

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I'm not sure why we need to be nice to Sven just because he's the head of the company, that's silly. He deserves as much respect as anyone else here, which is to say, we shouldn't be resorting to personal attacks regardless.
People joke about Sven and the team all the time. As you note, most of those jokes are not personal attacks or accusations though.


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I was personally disturbed long before the bear.

Seeing the wanton encouragement for acts of cruelty was kind of insult to injury (and creepy), after not getting any effort put into a paragon play-through story (an absolute first).

This wasn't a small shift. It was like gravity started pulling everything skyward.

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I don't think Sven needs to apologize for anything.

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Originally Posted by N7Greenfire
Gets warned not to let kids see it. Let's kids see it.

My thought process at the time: this will be tamer than the minthara scene we already have, because streaming, so it's likely no big

My action: say to the kid "so what he's saying is there will be nudity and maybe some sex, your choice if you stay or not"

I wasn't fussed about the screwing, he's 14, he knows what screwing is, and depictions of loving, consensual intimacy are positive if they're not too explicit.

But animal stuff, like with BDSM, toys, etc, is in my thinking a bit much for kids (or maybe most folks for whom this is still all theoretical).

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Originally Posted by Grizzmyt
"Things that should have stayed locked behind choice walls."


Ima quote myself here. All this could have been avoided with discretion.

Sven should really make a public apology, both to the community and abroad, for showing content that should have only be seen by a niche audience and then only if they somehow unlocked it for their own viewing.
It literally is locked behind a choice wall. Two, in fact. The player specifically has to select the dialogue option: "Don't apologise. I like it." followed by "Yes. Change back again. Let me have the beast...and the beast have me."

The audience *chose* to select those options.
You *chose* to continue watching after it was clear that option was being selected.

Sounds like Larian implemented it exactly as you wanted, so I'm not sure why there's a need to apologize..?

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Originally Posted by Grizzmyt
I was personally disturbed long before the bear.

Seeing the wanton encouragement for acts of cruelty was kind of insult to injury (and creepy), after not getting any effort put into a paragon play-through story (an absolute first).

This wasn't a small shift. It was like gravity started pulling everything skyward.

What about the fatalities in Mortal Kombat? That's far more brutal and encouraged and celebrated than anything in this game.

What about being able to play as Nazis and Stalinists in Paradox games? And being able to do actual genocide?

What about first-person shooters that encourage you to engage in mass slaughter or terrorist attacks? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Russian

What about the tragic fates you can deal people in Dishonored 2?

Why is this game different from all other games?


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Call me old fashion... but I don't think bestiality should be included in any form of media. Especially in as positive of a light as it is in this game. I don't think it should be a choice, locked behind a choice-wall or anything else like that.

I also don't think things like pedophilia should be in media either - regardless of if you have a choice to ignore it or not.

Don't care if there are some weirdos are out there who get off on animals having sex with humans. Just like I don't care if there are some weirdos out there who get off on having sex with kids. It's a line that I don't think we should cross. Could really care less if some dope on an Internet forum disagrees with me or not. smile

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Originally Posted by neprostoman
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The other poster was right though, it is really crappy to personally attack the boss ( or any of the people working at Larians) in their own forum. You can say your piece without getting personal.

Its not just crappy actually, its against the forum rules. I advocate for everyone to try and calm down on the matter, is it really worth such a heated debate?
I totally agree, there is no reason at all for personal attacks. We can have different opinions and it is totally ok.


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Tommy thinks we should have sex with 10 bears. I think we should have sex with 0 bears.

We compromised and had sex with 5 bears.

I am not a fan of all this compromising.

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
What about the fatalities in Mortal Kombat? That's far more brutal and encouraged and celebrated than anything in this game.

I actually believe that Mortal Kombat has turned into torture porn and should have the same advertising/selling restrictions as hardcore pornography.

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