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Yea, let's stop this right here. This isn't going to go well for you. Oh no. Anything but that. Erm, okay, I don't even know the context of this, but that's not sounding very constructive or friendly to me. As per my note in the other thread, I'm getting tired and hungry so you don't want me to have to come over here Like I told you in your private message... I'm perfectly fine with you banning me for saying that pedophilia and bestiality are wrong/wrong to depict in media. If you would like to do so then I suggest that you consider the moderation policies of this forum as opposed to my stance on the issue. Also - if you would like to ban me for discussing moderation policies in public then you are also free to do so. But you are the one who just brought it up in the post that I am quoting. I have a strong feeling that if you get banned, it won't be done for reasons you think it will be. And look, I don't want you to get banned! Come on..
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Yea, let's stop this right here. This isn't going to go well for you. Oh no. Anything but that. I think what Boblawblah was referring to is that you're apparently asking for an explanation of why we have the concept of an age of consent, and needing that explained isn't a great look, and that's how your slippery-slope argument comes across
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yes and that bear is a human, with a adult consenting mind... exactly as the dragonborn, thats a reptilian, that courts the barbarian... this is DnD, there is alot of animal looking races, and you name the half race, but its likely exist, and im fairly sure it not a stork that delivers them... the point is, it has nothing to do with fysical form, its all about two adult fully sentient being consenting to what their doing...
Otherwise we need to ban all romance option involving dragonborn, couse their actually reptilians, while Halisn is a shapeshifting human in bear form... ?
I am kinda curious if Karlach will lay a egg....
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6 year olds can't meaningfully consent. If it was shown then it'd be rape, pedophilia, etc. (Which is bad)
An adult member of sapient/sentient species--human, elf, dragonborn, devil, dragon, lizardfolk, halfling, or a elf temporarily transformed into a bear--can consent. That's the difference. Elves, dragonborns, devils, dragons, lizardfolk and halflings are not real things. But bears are. What if it was an adult elf that transformed into a six year old - would it then be okay to show on screen?
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Like I told you in your private message...
I'm perfectly fine with you banning me for saying that pedophilia and bestiality are wrong/wrong to depict in media. If you would like to do so then I suggest that you consider the moderation policies of this forum as opposed to my stance on the issue.
Also - if you would like to ban me for discussing moderation policies in public then you are also free to do so. But you are the one who just brought it up in the post that I am quoting. I have a strong feeling that if you get banned, it won't be done for reasons you think it will be. And look, I don't want you to get banned! Come on.. +1 Plisko, it was really nice knowing you. Let's not end it here.
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There is a term called an age of consent and it is governed by law differently in different countries. In my homeland it is 15 years old. This would be the line for me.
EDIT: I double checked, it's 16. There is also (shockingly) laws against bestiality too. That is undoubtedly true, yet we are not dealing with an animal in a classical sense here. I think context is important, even though it sometimes is not, at least for authorities But considering this is a game, not real life, I'd give context a tad bit more credit.
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There is a term called an age of consent and it is governed by law differently in different countries. In my homeland it is 15 years old. This would be the line for me.
EDIT: I double checked, it's 16. There is also (shockingly) laws against bestiality too. That is undoubtedly true, yet we are not dealing with an animal in a classical sense here. I think context if important, even though it sometimes is not, at least for authorities But considering this is a game, not real life, I'd give context a tad bit more credit. This is why I asked if we put an adult magically transforming to look like a six year old if it would be okay. I understand the context. I mean I don't think that would be okay. I think that is abhorrent. Just like I think depicting intercourse with a bear is abhorrent and has no place in media. If you guys need to take what I am saying out of context in order to ban me and permit people who are promoting bear-sex to post, then like I said, I am cool with that.
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Ok, the last thing I want to fuel is a back and forth. I didn't join the forum to make arguments, and I've said my peace.
Now there are many games that encourage just about anything. Before now that hasn't been D&D, and that is a huge contributing factor here.
From the original titles, Eye of the Beholder, the 2000s titles, and DDO its been fun, engaging, and a reasonably safe form of entertainment.
That's a lot of history to retcon. Tolerance and respect is about understanding others' point of view.
Again, if you enjoy that gameplay, I didn't have to know about it.
I really only posted in this thread because someone took the time to start it and I saw them getting flamed, although my viewpoints are sincere and genuine.
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Yes there is a line, and it's easy to answer. We draw the line at consent. Any media that has non-con sexual interactions should be clearly identified as such. Consent is where we draw the line
Edit: this is also my response to the question below about necro. The corpse can't consent, and treating a corpse like an empty husk stripped of its humanity is desecration and is obviously not okay Wrong again. It’s not about consent. The whole porn industry is build around consenting adults engaging in all kinds of activities, from vanilla to super extreme. It doesn’t mean this content should be depicted in media products just because they’re rated M. A hardcore porn scene depicting consenting adults would shock the audience of an Avatar movie, for example. And would in no way improve the movie.
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There is a term called an age of consent and it is governed by law differently in different countries. In my homeland it is 15 years old. This would be the line for me.
EDIT: I double checked, it's 16. There is also (shockingly) laws against bestiality too. That is undoubtedly true, yet we are not dealing with an animal in a classical sense here. I think context if important, even though it sometimes is not, at least for authorities But considering this is a game, not real life, I'd give context a tad bit more credit. This is why I asked if we put an adult magically transforming to look like a six year old if it would be okay. I understand the context. I mean I don't think that would be okay. I think that is abhorrent. Just like I think depicting intercourse with a bear is abhorrent and has no place in media. If you guys need to take what I am saying out of context in order to ban me and permit people who are promoting bear-sex to post, then like I said, I am cool with that. Isn't this what people already say about romancing halflings and gnomes. Do you agree with them?
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Yes there is a line, and it's easy to answer. We draw the line at consent. Any media that has non-con sexual interactions should be clearly identified as such. Consent is where we draw the line
Edit: this is also my response to the question below about necro. The corpse can't consent, and treating a corpse like an empty husk stripped of its humanity is desecration and is obviously not okay Wrong again. It’s not about consent. The whole porn industry is build around consenting adults engaging in all kinds of activities, from vanilla to super extreme. It doesn’t mean this content should be depicted in media products just because they’re rated M. A hardcore porn scene depicting consenting adults would shock the audience of an Avatar movie, for example. And would in no way improve the movie. Consent in fiction occurs between the author and the reader.
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There is a term called an age of consent and it is governed by law differently in different countries. In my homeland it is 15 years old. This would be the line for me.
EDIT: I double checked, it's 16. There is also (shockingly) laws against bestiality too. That is undoubtedly true, yet we are not dealing with an animal in a classical sense here. I think context if important, even though it sometimes is not, at least for authorities But considering this is a game, not real life, I'd give context a tad bit more credit. This is why I asked if we put an adult magically transforming to look like a six year old if it would be okay. I understand the context. I mean I don't think that would be okay. I think that is abhorrent. Just like I think depicting intercourse with a bear is abhorrent and has no place in media. If you guys need to take what I am saying out of context in order to ban me and permit people who are promoting bear-sex to post, then like I said, I am cool with that. I also feel like this would be inappropriate and terrible. I also think that you have the right to have bad feelings about it and express your thoughts and opinion. I don't know the details of your private chat with RQ, so I can't tell if you are really getting offered a ban just for this opinion. But just letting things cool down does not mean abstaining from your opinion on the matter, right?
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Isn't this what people already say about romancing halflings and gnomes. Do you agree with them? This literally has nothing to do with the question I asked. No - I do not equate being short with being six years old.
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Don't equate magic with being 6 years old
This is actually a trope in Vampire fiction, that might show up in the game. Interview with a Vampire, comes to mind, I think, I've only seen bits of the movie on T.V. There's also a Batman villain from the animated show that touches on this, Babydoll I think is her name.
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We've got a lot of diverse opinions about this topic. Given how heated it can get, can we all agree at this point to continue this contentious and socially charged issue in as civil a manner as possible? We are getting into severe topics, and severe topics require forgiveness and tolerance of other viewpoints, especially with a bit of tone self-policing.
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Can a dragonborn have sex with Shadowheart or Gale?
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yea, as i said a few times now, consdiering the half races in DnD, i doubt the stork delivers them... aslong as Larian keeps this between consenting adults, im oki with it...
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I also feel like this would be inappropriate and terrible. I also think that you have the right to have bad feelings about it and express your thoughts and opinion. I don't know the details of your private chat with RQ, so I can't tell if you are really getting offered a ban just for this opinion. But just letting things cool down does not mean abstaining from your opinion on the matter, right? I don't really need to cool down... I'm not worked up, dude! I think depicting bestiality in media is wrong. Don't think Larian should have done it, even behind a choice-wall. Don't think they should have shown it on PFH even if they warned people about mature content. Do I hate them now and think they are the worst people ever in the history of life? No. I think they made a mistake - a mistake they will stand by. I can respect that and move on from it. But when you show something like that you are obviously going to have people sharing their opinion. I think my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's... and not only do I think it is as valid, I think it is just blatantly and obviously correct. So I see no problem in sharing it. I do not think I have said anything offense. If I get banned for it, then so be it! I guess I will have to do my BG3 discussing elsewhere.
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[/quote] Consent in fiction occurs between the author and the reader.[/quote]
I can’t see how this is a reply to what i said but ok, i guess.
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You know I've just read the previous page and I now regret it. I think some of the comments there are maybe bordering on stuff that might be triggering for other members and I think maybe people should be mindful of that in their hypotheticals
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