Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Who else watched bear sex with their kid?

This statement reveals that you have no interest in discussion or debate, in which case why even bother to post at all. Just start a petition to remove all age ratings from all creative content and ban everything else because obviously someone inappropriate will see it anyway and that is exclusively the fault of the maker. Jesus.

The difference is that even cartoon depictions of kids might be illegal, depending on where you come from.
And i feel that it is quite sick to even begin to compare kids to animals. That's like comparing shoplifting with massmurder

I think the answer is just not to show that stuff in the first place. But again - that seems rather obvious to me and the fact that it is controversial is strange to me. I also find it odd people are acting like I am some authoritarian because I do not think we should be depicting bestiality in media.

I see people asking about Dragonborn, Lizardfolk and all of that stuff. Owlbears. And I get that. They are looking for that 'gotcha' type moment. I think Dragonborn and Lizardfolk in this fantasy world are even different still than something like an Owlbear, because they are essentially humanoids. They are clearly designed and based off of humans. Where as an owlbear is an amalgamation of animals and thus still is essentially bestiality.

But I don't think we need to get into those types of semantics or hypotheticals.

My stance is depicting bestiality in media is wrong. Don't think they should do it. Don't think it should be in the game - even as a choice. Don't care for the context of it being magical. Just like I wouldn't approve of magical pedophelia. Don't think those things are appropriate for a movie screen, video game, TV show, etc.

On top of that I don't think that should be a particularly controversial stance to take. But what can I say? I am the king of controversy these days with my crazy "video games probably shouldn't have bear sex in them" takes.

What if he turned into some other fantasy animal on four legs, that doesn't exist in our world?

I'm not comparing kids to animals.

I am saying that there are sexual things we should not be showing in media and using two examples of those sexual things to show that I believe my position is right.

If I say that shoplifting and mass murder are wrong - that means I think they are both wrong (which I do). It doesn't mean I think they are the same thing.

My problem is people stepping on free speech, there is alot of horror books, sexual fantasis in movies, etc... and ultimatly Sven told us one of the main things in BG3 is us having choices, to wrestle with unmoral dark choices, thats the first thing... secondly the game is and have been labeled ERSB 17 Mature, with strong sexual content... now when a creator warn you, its been know for years... and you still keep at it... that frankly pisses me off...

You are bascially walking inside a store, grab a frysing pan,demanding that the shop clerk change the handle to the frying pan, couse it upsets you... ? i dont know in any other terms how i am capable of expresing this, not every book, or movies is for everyone, and again, we been told on several occasions and warned, its not for Kids, and that the game has dark themes and STRONG SEXUAL CONTENT...

its like the kid your telling not to stick the siccor in the cureency jack, and they still do it...

Okay folks, I’m getting reports about this thread and I don’t have time to read it right now.

I really just want to have a break, something to eat and then get back to letting you know what I discovered at the event yesterday that perhaps didn’t come across at the PFH.

In my view, there is zero reason for discussing sex with (actual) bears or animals, and certainly zero reason for discussing sex with children. If that’s what’s going on here as I hear, then I need that to stop right now.

I’m going to check back in fifteen minutes and if I see any posts I don’t think are in the spirit of forum rules, or if I get any more reports about this thread (PM me please), I’m just going to lock it until I have time to moderate it more actively.

I’d appreciate it if you can help make that unnecessary.

So... saying bestiality is wrong and there are some sexual things we shouldn't depict in media is now trampling on free speech?

I never knew not wanting to visually see bear sex in media was this controversial of a topic. I'm like a regular Mussolini over here now. I am going to rename my forum handle to 'Bear Sex Hitler' so people know to beware my freedom hating ways.

The obvious answer you seem to be purposefully ignoring is that, in our society, we have collectively agreed that children under a certain age are not capable of giving consent because they lack the proper context and emotional maturity. This is the exact same reasoning that is applied to adults with certain disabilities, animals, and corpses. If we discovered an island with Neanderthals living on it, and they were conscious, sentient, and with an average IQ of, say 90; would your arguments apply?

That'd be fine by the same logic: it doesn't do real world harm (because the fantasy animal doesn't exist and thus isn't commonly abused in our world) and the participants can meaningfully consent. It'd be marginally better than a bear I suppose because of the additional degree of separation, but both would fall well on the "is okay" side of the line.

For the sake of everyone's sanity, let's reduce the usage of real-world parallels and analogies and try to (temporarily at least) take the game as is.

There is alot of things i dont agree to in many books movies and games... if i dont like it, i dont buy the book, if i already bought the book, ill put it down... as i said, sometimes people write and express things that is not for you or me...

Secondly, you use the term besitality, again its not, as that would imply it was a animal, there is to my knowledge no animals involved in any sexual acts, there i though a sentient Dragornborn(reptilian) that courts the tiefling barabarian Karlach, still curious if she would lay a egg... and sencondly we have the druid halsin that shapshifts into a bear, but he isnt a animal, its a shapeshifting fully sentient adult... and DnD lore, we have alot of halfraces, unions between all kinds of exotic races all from animal looking to mythic creatures like demons and angels... im fairly sure the stork dident deliver them... ?

No bestialty is not ok, but an adult male that has magically dressed up as a bear is. They are different things, even if you don't want them to be.

Again this is just me, but context matters. It's not a regular bear. It's a person that can turn into a bear. Not to be accused of being a pedo but what if I made a character like a gnome or halfling but he didn't have a beard. Would this person look like a child? And if so would it be pedophilia but the person is actually of age?

I will refrain from further responses, m'lady.

Sorry if my stance against depicting bear intercourse has caused you any unnecessary grief.

If it helps at all - The Red Prince was my favorite companion in all of DOS2.

I think there's a really simple answer to the "magic to look like a kid" scenario. It won't be an acceptable answer to some, for obvious reasons, but I think there's a very simple answer.

We don't need to create a logically consistent rule for this case because it will never happen. Nobody, at least no mainstream game developer will ever make a game where consenting adults use magic to look like kids when they have sex. I don't need a logical answer to this question because it will never need to be answered.

I'm fine with wildshape druid sex. I'm not fine with kidshape sex, even though the heuristic for what's okay and what isn't doesn't rule it out.

I'm not bothered by that inconsistency because it's not a question that will ever come up outside discussions like these.

Maybe another way to say it is there's a broad spectrum of okay to not okay, and things like wildshape druid sex are in the not-okay-adjacent area of transgressive stuff. The never okay area includes both actual bestiality (because it includes all non-con stuff), and it includes the magic to look like a kid example.

If anyone wants to make an argument in favor of the magic-to-look-like-a-kid, I'd be interested in hearing it, but I'm reasonably confident there's full agreement that that's not okay, even though by the heuristic that accepts the wildshape situation, it should be. It's fine that it's logically inconsistent.

In defense of this thread:
It appears a lot of people are freaking out online about the bear scene.

Would it be okay if Halsin just put on teddy bear ears and a plug with a little brown tail? What about a full furry costume?

yes because it still looks like a human.

Right guys, I’m still getting complaints so I’m going to take the unusual step of locking this thread until I am able to first catch up with what has been discussed already and then until I am able to monitor it actively.

I’m not going to be able to do the latter and talk to you about the rest of what came out of the creator day yesterday at the same time, so I’m going to create a poll to see what you’d rather discuss first. Give me a few minutes.