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Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback fylimar #857811 09/07/23 05:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Location: Liberec RagnarokCzD veteran
RagnarokCzD veteran Joined: Oct 2020 Location: Liberec	Originally Posted by fylimar I wonder, if Halsin is not a very competent archdruid , because he doesn't seem to be in control of his shapeshifting I thought its nothing new ... Wasnt Ettercaps Druids that were shapeshifting into spiders "long time ago" until they loose themselves somewhere in between? (I mean, im sure there was some deity or demon involved aswell ... but still.) I mean ... This is common theme in fantasy where somoeone fills the mid step between human(oid) and animal ... Even Gangrels lean more and more towards their animalistic site as they grow older. Whole Werewolf ruleset stand on finding ballance between each aspect of their life, bcs if one is missed out, it fights for its existence and can owerwhelm the Werewolf. In Warcraft 3, Druids also forgot during their long slumber in animal form that they are actually Elves. Werewolves from Dragon Age also become quite bestial. I could go on ... I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Icelyn #857813 09/07/23 05:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2021 Lyelle enthusiast
Lyelle enthusiast Joined: Aug 2021	Originally Posted by Icelyn Originally Posted by fylimar I'm now at the Infamous scene and I wonder, if Halsin is not a very competent archdruid , because he doesn't seem to be in control of his shapeshifting, or If he is indeed a werebear, which would make his accident shapeshifting maybe a bit more believable. I think you are right that he might be a werebear!!! I finally had the time to watch the whole panel (and the infamous bear scene 😂), and I think it would make a lot of sense. Maybe they took this part of Helia's story and made Halsin a werebear. I was always a bit surprised - and shocked - that this kind and friendly druid would kill the goblin kids, when he manages to free himself in the goblin camp. There was quite a bloodbath there. It would make sense if he lost control in his bear form, because he was under great emotional distress.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Icelyn #857814 09/07/23 05:42 PM
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RagnarokCzD veteran Joined: Oct 2020 Location: Liberec	Originally Posted by Icelyn I love Gale’s cat! I wonder if Gale would mind if Tav brings the cat to camp!😊 I wonder if our Druid will be able to take her form as Wildshape. I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback RagnarokCzD #857816 09/07/23 05:45 PM
Joined: Dec 2019 Location: Inside your monitor Xzoviac enthusiast
Xzoviac enthusiast Joined: Dec 2019 Location: Inside your monitor	Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD Originally Posted by Icelyn I love Gale’s cat! I wonder if Gale would mind if Tav brings the cat to camp!😊 I wonder if our Druid will be able to take her form as Wildshape. Hope the owlbear dont eat it

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback fylimar #857817 09/07/23 05:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2021 Lyelle enthusiast
Lyelle enthusiast Joined: Aug 2021	Originally Posted by fylimar I'm pretty sure about it, since he is basically the Helia replacement - that would give that scene, where he involuntarily changed shape, a whole new meaning. Oh, I am sorry, I didn't notice that you already had mentioned that.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Icelyn #857818 09/07/23 05:50 PM
Joined: Aug 2021 Lyelle enthusiast
Lyelle enthusiast Joined: Aug 2021	Originally Posted by Icelyn I love Gale’s cat! I wonder if Gale would mind if Tav brings the cat to camp!😊 I love her, too! I think Tressyms might be the most adorable creatures in DnD. But the little Hollyphant was also very cute.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback RagnarokCzD #857819 09/07/23 05:50 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Icelyn veteran
Icelyn veteran Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD Originally Posted by Icelyn I love Gale’s cat! I wonder if Gale would mind if Tav brings the cat to camp!😊 I wonder if our Druid will be able to take her form as Wildshape. That would be a fantastic wild shape!🐈‍⬛💕

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Grizzmyt #857821 09/07/23 05:52 PM
Joined: Oct 2021 JandK veteran
JandK veteran Joined: Oct 2021	If Halsin turns out to be a werebear, I will be very pleasantly surprised. And impressed that you called it.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Grizzmyt #857824 09/07/23 05:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 N N7Greenfire old hand
N7Greenfire old hand N Joined: Oct 2020	Hasn't there been a pretty big implication that he struggles controlling himself? I thought It was implied at one point he accidentally killed Kethric's daughter?

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback N7Greenfire #857826 09/07/23 05:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2021 Location: Right Behind You Z Zerubbabel Jhe'stil Kith'rak
Zerubbabel Jhe'stil Kith'rak Z Joined: Oct 2021 Location: Right Behind You	Originally Posted by N7Greenfire Hasn't there been a pretty big implication that he struggles controlling himself? I thought It was implied at one point he accidentally killed Kethric's daughter? eh? when? Remember the human (This is a forum for a video game):

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Zerubbabel #857829 09/07/23 06:03 PM
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JandK veteran Joined: Oct 2021	Originally Posted by Zerubbabel Originally Posted by N7Greenfire Hasn't there been a pretty big implication that he struggles controlling himself? I thought It was implied at one point he accidentally killed Kethric's daughter? eh? when? I sort of recall some theory about that a long time ago, but I'm not sure there was ever anything solid there. I think the speculation was that maybe Ketheric "fell" because something bad happened to him... he had a daughter... maybe his daughter died and that's why he fell? I believe a piece of text specifically mentioned that he "fell." And in earlier patches, there was more information about ketheric sitting around, if I recall correctly. Anyway. It's been a while since I looked at anything about Ketheric's daughter, but isn't she: Isobel? Who we can meet in the Shadow Lands with Jaheira. As far as Halsin not being able to control himself, he tells us that in EA when he offers to help fight the goblins in the temple. He warns, if I go with you then I won't be able to control myself and we'll likely have to kill every goblin in this place. Or something like that, paraphrased obviously. Last edited by JandK; 09/07/23 06:06 PM.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Zerubbabel #857834 09/07/23 06:09 PM
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N7Greenfire old hand N Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by Zerubbabel Originally Posted by N7Greenfire Hasn't there been a pretty big implication that he struggles controlling himself? I thought It was implied at one point he accidentally killed Kethric's daughter? eh? when? I feel like it was in one of the books in the druid enclave.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback N7Greenfire #857838 09/07/23 06:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Icelyn veteran
Icelyn veteran Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by N7Greenfire Originally Posted by Zerubbabel Originally Posted by N7Greenfire Hasn't there been a pretty big implication that he struggles controlling himself? I thought It was implied at one point he accidentally killed Kethric's daughter? eh? when? I feel like it was in one of the books in the druid enclave. I think that text might have been removed in one of the updates?

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Grizzmyt #857859 09/07/23 06:36 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 Sozz veteran
Sozz veteran Joined: Oct 2020	I don't think that was the implication in that removed book. If anything it seemed like it had to do with Halsin's predecessor. There is the bit when rescuing Halsin where he says once he enters the bear form, there's only one course of action to follow....violence. Which seemed odd at the time for a Druid wildshape. I like the werebear theory, especially since we seem to be down on werewolf. dumb, pseudo-intellectual and polite homophobe

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Grizzmyt #857911 09/07/23 07:27 PM
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FreeTheSlaves addict F Joined: Sep 2022	It would make a lot of sense him being a werebear. He got attacked, transformed and attacked instead of running with Aradin's gang. The whole druid thing, while sincere, is also a convenient cover.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Grizzmyt #857938 09/07/23 08:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2022 S snowram old hand
snowram old hand S Joined: Mar 2022	I also wondered about the werebear theory. That would explain why he can use multi attack and our druid can't. That would also explain why he seem to have trouble controlling himself in that scene. There are also theses lines in the game : <content contentuid="h02cf842dgc135g4047g90ffgd985ae2a0745" version="3">Should you change your mind, head west. Halsin is an elf with the presence of a bear.</content> <content contentuid="h134f59d4g3945g410fg99bag22d0871dab3d" version="2">Kinda disappointin', for a bear-man.</content> <content contentuid="h2cffaa54g4779g48a0ga24dgc459e8d54573" version="4">See that? Fella was some magicker bear-elf and he didn't stand a chance.</content> <content contentuid="h32309ddbg269fg4d82g976bg93be7e35ea80" version="4">Having a shapeshifting bear-druid at my side might make things easier.</content> <content contentuid="h44a4f576g8ce4g437fg9dffgc8795abfa751" version="1">Be warned - my presence could make things more difficult... I can only restrain my bear form so much. I won't be able to help but attack goblins.</content> <content contentuid="h8fc9387bg5a7ag4958g9a15gddd24580de90" version="3">Halsin is an elf with the presence of a bear. He left west, with the adventurers.</content> Mmh...

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Grizzmyt #857942 09/07/23 08:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 fylimar veteran
fylimar veteran Joined: Dec 2020	Another thing: I just finished the PfH (took a break for Guild Wars 2 - Tequatl, Drakkar and the Marionette needed attention) and I find it kind of funny, that people are exploding about the bear scene (which I don't need either, I just don't care about it being in, since I will never see it), but obviously have no problems with the graphic violent scenes in the last playthrough, where Swen played the Urge thingy and Adam a very darkside Shadowheart - especially that hospital scene was graphic. I'm ok with that, I'm a horror fan, but I would think, that killing people in the most gruesome way is a tad bit worse than having two consenting adults have weird sex - just my two cents. "We are all stories in the end. Just make it a good one." Doctor Who

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback fylimar #857949 09/07/23 09:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2017 Location: The Frozen North Silverstar member
Silverstar member Joined: Jul 2017 Location: The Frozen North	Heh. Personally I didn't look too closely during that bit either and found it equally distasteful. I never watch hospital/surgery series for good reason and back in the day I once fainted some twenty minutes after having watched Star Trek: First Encounter as I recalled the scene where Picard ripped a chip out of a Borg drone's intestines. Guts belong on the inside, okay?! But as for why people don't freak out as much about that I assume it's because (fictional) violence is normalized, we're dulled to it. And as a means of conflict resolution it's expected in games. Yeah I'm aware this particular situation isn't the best example for that though. But human/animal "intimacy"? Considered wrong, like violence, but we've not been dulled to that yet. We're not conditioned to think that's okay outside of very particular niche games which most people don't play or probably know of. Last edited by Silverstar; 09/07/23 09:17 PM. Nobody's perfect... I'm a nobody.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback Grizzmyt #857975 09/07/23 10:05 PM
Joined: Jul 2023 Location: NW UK B Beechams old hand
Beechams old hand B Joined: Jul 2023 Location: NW UK	I mentioned this scene in another thread but something struck me later. The scene appeared to be just that, a scene - you walk into the room, the scene plays out, everyone dies and you move on. And the point was . . .? At least with the bear thing it has a rationale, i.e. it's part of an ongoing romance and presumably wont be the last time it happens.

Re: Panel From Hell Release Showcase Feedback snowram #857978 09/07/23 10:09 PM
Joined: Oct 2020 N N7Greenfire old hand
N7Greenfire old hand N Joined: Oct 2020	Originally Posted by snowram I also wondered about the werebear theory. That would explain why he can use multi attack and our druid can't. That would also explain why he seem to have trouble controlling himself in that scene. There are also theses lines in the game : <content contentuid="h02cf842dgc135g4047g90ffgd985ae2a0745" version="3">Should you change your mind, head west. Halsin is an elf with the presence of a bear.</content> <content contentuid="h134f59d4g3945g410fg99bag22d0871dab3d" version="2">Kinda disappointin', for a bear-man.</content> <content contentuid="h2cffaa54g4779g48a0ga24dgc459e8d54573" version="4">See that? Fella was some magicker bear-elf and he didn't stand a chance.</content> <content contentuid="h32309ddbg269fg4d82g976bg93be7e35ea80" version="4">Having a shapeshifting bear-druid at my side might make things easier.</content> <content contentuid="h44a4f576g8ce4g437fg9dffgc8795abfa751" version="1">Be warned - my presence could make things more difficult... I can only restrain my bear form so much. I won't be able to help but attack goblins.</content> <content contentuid="h8fc9387bg5a7ag4958g9a15gddd24580de90" version="3">Halsin is an elf with the presence of a bear. He left west, with the adventurers.</content> Mmh... Honestly he makes more sense being a werebear than not if you think about it If he has a homebrew were bear class he could be a good equivlant for Lae'zel and we wouldent double up on druids. Itd also give more good aligned players a transformation instead of becoming a vampire with Astarion

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