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Originally Posted by Maximuuus
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Okay, I'm still trying to finish spilling the beans from my experience in Ghent ...

Wait, you were there ?
I'll definitely apply to be a moderator too for BG4 grin

Did you talk to them about my issue ? biggrin
(that's not a serious question, I know you haven't haha)


Yep, I was there. Take a look at https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=857731#Post857731 for my ongoing download and Q&A on what I learned. I totally did not expect an invite and am so grateful for the opportunity, and I hope that you folks will also be glad of the opportunity to get a bit of an inside scoop on some bits and pieces that I managed to find out but weren't called out or shown at the PFH.

And anyone interested in joining me as a moderator here is free to let me know by PM grin I have a feeling it's going to get busier in a few weeks.


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Like it or not, that's how big studio 2023 game PR is now. Sex sells. I don't blame Larian.
The way its done though is sadly marketed towards teens and people with a weird sense of humor. This ain't no "In the mood for Love" top acting, cinematography high caliber romance. Its videogame legal porn.
For me its comedy gold.
SOMEONE please rededit these scenes with the Monty Python song! smile

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It just reminded me of the bowl of goat's milk that old Winthrop used to put outside his door every evening for the dust demons. He said the dust demons could never resist goat's milk, and that they would always drink themselves into a stupor and then be too tired to enter his room..
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Originally Posted by Crimsomrider
You're sticking to this absurd mindset that 40+ people in their 30s are naive, dumb as a rock and unable to think 3 seconds ahead without intuition as to what might happen in a CRPG game that is ALL about its incredibly rich story and wide variety of choices, when Larian has already proven even with Early Access that they are not holding back any punches in terms of the story and how far it can go in any direction the player chooses.

People aren't as dumb as you're trying to convey, at least not those as I've recognized some of them while I was watching. Everyone in that room knew very well what to expect while they were asking for the first dialogue choice, especially due to Sven's responses and laughter. Do not mistake their reactions for innocent ignorance.

As for you thinking it's bestiality, it's simply not because Halsin is an Elf Druid and remains a fully sentient Elf even when he shapeshifts into his bear form. He ain't a real animal and screwing him is no different than screwing a Centaur, a Harpy, a Succubus, a Succubi, a Werewolf, a Sphynx, a Mermaid, a Medusa... etc... take your pick of various sentient mythological beings that are a fully sentient humanoid with animal appearances.

These types of overreactions I've seen in the real world as well, against partners of those suffering from extreme dwarfism that leaves them looking like kids. Despite people suffering from dwarfism actually being even more mature and intelligent than your average Joe, this does not stop people from condemning their husbands/wives as extreme pedophiles and trying to start lynchmobs against them, just because in their programmed brains TINY SIZE = KID.

Get real. I'm not over-reacting to anything. What we saw on screen was pathetic. I had a modded (200-300 mods) Skyrim where I could have sex with virtually anything living or dead and either one on one or an orgy so large things ground to a snail's pace; I could stand and watch, take part or walk away and leave them all to it. I generally played as a succubus or incubus and with up to 70 followers in tow.

So you have seen some one on YT so you know if they are dumb or not? In any case I am not commenting on anyone's intelligence, almost the opposite. I'm saying that nobody with an ounce of common sense would expect to see a bear rogering a bloke on a multiplatform livestream by a major gaming company.

Asking for the first dialogue option and expecting a bear rogering the bloke are not related. In the Dragon Age games there are romance and 'sex' options but they don't go 'all the way' no matter which dialogue option one chooses.

As for what or what does not constitute 'bestiality' that is just semantics.

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Originally Posted by The Red Queen
And anyone interested in joining me as a moderator here is free to let me know by PM grin I have a feeling it's going to get busier in a few weeks.

Can't wait to read what you have to say !

Too late, no more PFH sorry grin

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Originally Posted by 1varangian
But they decided to spend resources on such scenes anyway.

And this is the MOST egregious offense they committed to me. With so many other things lacking and other critical feedback for a game in EA for 3 years and with finite resources, when you think that all of this had to be rendered-coded-motion captured-written-voiced, this shows their priorities as a developer.

I'm sure this isn't the only scene that could have been spent somewhere else. They created the game they wanted to create. Someone(well, multiple people) had to want these things to come to life in order to put them in the game.

That time, money, and effort could have went into other things. But-but-but-MAKE HALSIN A COMPANION.

It would have been so much cooler if he stayed an NPC and had a twist once we got to Moonrise...which was my initial impression up until PFH10 when they turned him into a joke.

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Guys can we please do this argument politely? Even if we are frustrated with the people on the other side?


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Originally Posted by williams85
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"Because animals cant consciously consent! "

So now it is an animal rights issue?

Yes it has always been,
But Crimsomrider says it is not an animal.

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Im quite curious about one thing in 1.0 ...

Jaheira casts Entangle on us ...
But Pale Oak ... makes us imune to those ...
What happens then? >:]

It would be quite ironic, if resolving peacefully problem for Druids in Groove ... and becoming Faithwarden ... would make her during our first meeting imediately hostile, since she cant pacify us. xD


I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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In one sense it is not an animal: within the domain of the game, that is, with the context of its own world.
In another sense it is: within the domain of how we receive the imagery as the viewer, independent of game context, but with the context of the outside world.


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Originally Posted by Beechams
I had a modded (200-300 mods) Skyrim where I could have sex with virtually anything living or dead and either one on one or an orgy so large things ground to a snail's pace; I could stand and watch, take part or walk away and leave them all to it. I generally played as a succubus or incubus and with up to 70 followers in tow.
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Originally Posted by Llengrath
Originally Posted by Beechams
I had a modded (200-300 mods) Skyrim where I could have sex with virtually anything living or dead and either one on one or an orgy so large things ground to a snail's pace; I could stand and watch, take part or walk away and leave them all to it. I generally played as a succubus or incubus and with up to 70 followers in tow.
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Just as Todd Howard intended


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I am in tears.
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It just reminded me of the bowl of goat's milk that old Winthrop used to put outside his door every evening for the dust demons. He said the dust demons could never resist goat's milk, and that they would always drink themselves into a stupor and then be too tired to enter his room..
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Originally Posted by Llengrath
it's really good to know I'm not alone in feeling this way about Larian.

You are not.

My introduction to the existence of this game was several years ago when I came across an image of a githyanki female warrior and thought 'holy ravioli, I want some of this'. Then I learn it was Larian and, having given up on DOS2 long before the end, my little heart sank. So I got out my optimism from the box on top of the wardrobe, dusted it off and thought 'maybe they have grown up or the D&D rule-set and the lore and canon will keep them on the straight and narrow'. I played through the EA version a couple of times and thought 'Not too bad. Not a disaster but not great either'. After the two showcase vids a couple of weeks ago this was still roughly my position. Then came the PFH and it was a case of 'abandon all hope'.
I always intended to wait week or so before getting the full game to allow any hotfixes or patches to appear if such were required. I'm still going to do that but i don't feel any sense of urgency to get the full game after that.

I'm now pinning my hopes on Dragon Age: Dreadwolf even though it seems to be centring on one of my least favourite characters from DA:I.

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Originally Posted by Beechams
I'm now pinning my hopes on Dragon Age: Dreadwolf even though it seems to be centring on one of my least favourite characters from DA:I.

Heh.. I agree about Dragon Age too. The Dreadwolf was the worst character in the game. I think it will be better with him as a pure villain though - he was much more annoying as a companion. It really depends on where they go with it - if it is a strong narrative driven single player game with complex satisfying combat, or if it is a watered down, meandering pseudo-mmo, with shallow hack-and-slash mechanics that is obsessed with trans romance. Could go either way really.

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I stronly disagree with this, i dont want to say to much, but if you are playing a female elf, and go down the romance with the dreadwolf, it changes so much about the game, not to mention all the extra lore you get...

in any case, im really happy with BG3, not couse of certain options, but those options is just options, no one will be forced to go down those paths... and that is why BG3 is a great game in my opinion, as a fact i never had so many options to outright use diplmocay or charm to talk myself out of fights, if that is your choise... i rather say that while BG3 is full of horrible choices, my personal opinion is that there is choices for everyone...

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
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Just as Todd Howard intended

My point was that I was not shocked by or over-reacting to the bear thing - not by a long chalk.

I six years I never once played the vanilla game as it had nothing to offer me. As for how I modded my game, I did it mostly for laughs (with that many mods one often gets unexpected synergies) and the technical challenge (keeping Skyrim LE stable without mods is a challenge). There are also some seriously talented modders out there and their work was often worth checking out for the artistic and technical talent that had gone into the making.

I could also add that my modded version of an 11 year old game looked better than Larian's BG3, had full body physics (e.g. bouncing boobs, butt cheeks and dilating vagina. There's dilating anus now but that came after I stopped playing Skyrim) and sound effects. I could change body phenotype game wide by dropping files into a folder or change an individual on the fly in-game.

Do you think Larian will give you anything like that in 2023? No, but you can play a character who, when a man holds out his hand asking for help, chews off the hand and another character comes out with a naff gag.

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Originally Posted by Beechams
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Just as Todd Howard intended

My point was that I was not shocked by or over-reacting to the bear thing - not by a long chalk.

I six years I never once played the vanilla game as it had nothing to offer me. As for how I modded my game, I did it mostly for laughs (with that many mods one often gets unexpected synergies) and the technical challenge (keeping Skyrim LE stable without mods is a challenge). There are also some seriously talented modders out there and their work was often worth checking out for the artistic and technical talent that had gone into the making.

I could also add that my modded version of an 11 year old game looked better than Larian's BG3, had full body physics (e.g. bouncing boobs, butt cheeks and dilating vagina. There's dilating anus now but that came after I stopped playing Skyrim) and sound effects. I could change body phenotype game wide by dropping files into a folder or change an individual on the fly in-game.

Do you think Larian will give you anything like that in 2023? No, but you can play a character who, when a man holds out his hand asking for help, chews off the hand and another character comes out with a naff gag.
Ah I was just joking around. I meant nothing by it lol. Can't speak for Llengrath tho.

(Having said that, just read the bit about dilating anus. That's...uh...that's a lot of detail)

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
(Having said that, just read the bit about dilating anus. That's...uh...that's a lot of detail)
Like I said, there are some talented people out there.
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I'm not offended BTW.

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My god 8 pages of pearl clutching. The scene was clearly meant to be funny and it was. It cuts away to a squirrel's reaction for fuck's sake. People need to stop being so prudish.

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We can of course disagree with people's points and preferences, but let's not try to belittle them. In fact, I'd suggest we save further comment for talking about our own views rather than critiquing others' unless there is a substantive, factual point of difference.

Especially when we'd nearly got through 24 hours without more chat on this thread!


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