Originally Posted by neprostoman
You have the exact same attitude, you aren't even aware of it, which is sad. You've just recently suggested people to effing make their attributes low when there is an opportunity to make them high. Of course they won't feel good doing that. You are just protecting your idea of fun, you don't really care if other people with different ideas have fun as well, otherwise you won't give an advice like that. I think it'd be great if there was no default and the game asked you right away how you'd want to play. Well, THAT would be fair to all.

Ok I don't get what you are talking about. I have no problems if people play exactly to the traditional racial bonus'. Also I didn't suggest people make their attributes low I was just using an example of an Orc I am workshopping with lower strength stats than most orcs. I am think he has some Sorcerer or Wizard blood which ups his Wisdom or Intel or maybe find a reason he is more dexterous than most orcs. The point I am making is having a standard bonus setting for each race is fine and perfectly fine if people want to adhere to that in their games they just shouldn't be able to force me to adhere to that in my games. Also long as each person can play how they want and aren't forced to play to another's idea of the right way I don't see any issues

Originally Posted by Silver/
You'll soon notice I have the same "obsession" against people bringing OP homebrew to the table... or any number of features I believe are unbalanced... not thought through... or just harming the integrity of the system.

No, I will not support you. I will never support you. You can try to draw support from others to outvote me, in which case I won't throw a fit. However, I'll stand my ground in this thread, as it's meant for game feedback. I won't pretend my stance on this is something it isn't to soften the blow of disagreement.

We are not talking about home brewing a whole system just saying one person may be slightly stronger or dextrose than most of their race. You seem to be a Lawful Dnd player and I am a Chaotic DnD player. You view rules as hard and fast while I and many other view them as a good starting point and malleable. Both are common and valid play types. At the end of the day it just seems you put way to much value on trying to force your playstyle on others