Originally Posted by Scoonster49
Originally Posted by Silver/
Nah... As you can just reduce the strenght of your orc to 5, it's pretty much *proven* you only care about minmaxing. There is literally no other explanation. With a DM, you can negotiate reducing that strenght even more. In a video game, we can't consider an edge case of edge case of an edge case... that 5 will have to be enough.

As for you getting 2, and maybe an extra 2 points for that exceptionally low strenght... Yeah, I take offense to that. That makes not only no sense, but negative sense. If your character has a disability, I'm going to hold you accountable to actually roleplay the consequences of it. The full consequences of being disabled. Not "hidden superpower" special.

A friendly DM might give you a +1 to int. Your orc is not getting smarter than Gale just because he's got a disability affecting his muscles. There's suspension of disbelief and it dies just about here.

Again no I pointed out I may want my character to have a lower racial bonus or have it moved (Maybe it is from the bloodline or magic experiment or they are just an anomaly) Either way plenty of roleplay reasons I pointed out they could be related to socerers or wizards or hell it is possible for there to be an orc prodegy. It is for my game to decide and fortunately Larian has decided you don't get to tell me how to play. galehearteyes You are just blinded by you narrow view of this game and refuse to accept the diversity this game encourages. Also a DM can give me what ever the hell they want. The ones I have had is so long as I can justify my choices and it doesn't conflict with their story they don't care

Originally Posted by Volourn
Back to races and stats. Elves are more agile than humans. They just are. In the same way even the weakest grizzly is gonna be stronger than all but the 0.000001% of human muscle bound freaks. Lol Or the leopard is gonna be faster. Or the monkey a better climber..etc., etc. Different species are different because they are different species. It's that simple. Why does the real world need to taint fantasy. I get it, racism is bad. If you hate someone in the real world because they look differently than you you are scum. But , let's keep that sort of bias to the real world. And, humans are humans. Dwarves, elves, and half orcs are not humans. Let's not pretend that they are.

There are always outliers
What you're saying is that you should get to tell others how they should play, though. And while you're doing that, you're also calling people who dislike that narrowminded.

And no, there are in fact not always outliers. No human has ever been as strong as a grizzly. No human has ever been able to dive as deep as a whale. No human has ever had the speed of a cheetah. It doesn't happen because evolution is not magic.

And arguing that the most exceptionally strong halfing ever is in fact just as strong as the most exceptionally strong half-orc is essentially equivalent with arguing that not only could an exceptionally fast human be just as fast a generic cheetah, but they could even be as fast as the most exceptionally fast cheetah. I don't know how that makes sense to you. And I don't know how a world where that is true can remain coherent.