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So you can have Bear sex but there's no romance options for strait, male characters with a non-evil female NPC? Am I missing a romance option or is Larian ignoring us? I fully understand there may be a romance option that fits the bill that I'm unaware of so if there is one please let us strait guys know PS> Just to head off the very vocal inclusion folks; I am happy as a clam that there are options for that 3-6% of the population that identifies as not strait or the somewhat larger % of folks that just want to explore options or whatever but it's kinda non-inclusive to leave out the rest of us who'd like to romance someone of the opposite sex who's not evil.
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Jaheira? I mean, she is not youngest ... but still looking damn good. Also i believe it was said that we should be able to draw our followers towards Light or Dark path ... (Named this was to avoid words good and evil ... whopsie) So ... maybe, just maaaaaybe, if you are patient enough, your Good straight male character will have option to sleep with Shadowheart?
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I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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So you can have Bear sex but there's no romance options for strait, male characters with a non-evil female NPC? Am I missing a romance option or is Larian ignoring us? I fully understand there may be a romance option that fits the bill that I'm unaware of so if there is one please let us strait guys know PS> Just to head off the very vocal inclusion folks; I am happy as a clam that there are options for that 3-6% of the population that identifies as not strait or the somewhat larger % of folks that just want to explore options or whatever but it's kinda non-inclusive to leave out the rest of us who'd like to romance someone of the opposite sex who's not evil. If you are a straight male, you have the option to romance any of your female companions. That includes Shadowheart. None of the companions are limited to gender as they are all player-sexual.
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So you can have Bear sex but there's no romance options for strait, male characters with a non-evil female NPC? Am I missing a romance option or is Larian ignoring us? I fully understand there may be a romance option that fits the bill that I'm unaware of so if there is one please let us strait guys know PS> Just to head off the very vocal inclusion folks; I am happy as a clam that there are options for that 3-6% of the population that identifies as not strait or the somewhat larger % of folks that just want to explore options or whatever but it's kinda non-inclusive to leave out the rest of us who'd like to romance someone of the opposite sex who's not evil. I think we're expected to just run around exuding toxic masculinity.
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If you are a straight male, you have the option to romance any of your female companions. That includes Shadowheart. None of the companions are limited to gender as they are all player-sexual. I believe OP complaint was that our female ancable sustains from: A burning goat ... A humanoid bat ... And an asshole shaped as humanoid ... While male counterparts are: Sweetheart mid-aged gentleman ... Smug, but somehow charismatic bro-type dude ... And wet dream of half of the internet ...
I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are!
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Jaheira? I mean, she is not youngest ... but still looking damn good. Also i believe it was said that we should be able to draw our followers towards Light or Dark path ... (Named this was to avoid words good and evil ... whopsie) So ... maybe, just maaaaaybe, if you are patient enough, your Good straight male character will have option to sleep with Shadowheart? I recall in the community post it said you could romance 'almost' every companion. I somehow have the feeling Jaheira and Minsc are the two you won't be able to romance. Maybe I'll be wrong, I hope I am because I'd happily romance her, but that's my gut feeling.
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Jaheira has two lovers already- her dead husband Khalid, and her baby daddy the bhaalspawn known as Volourn who is still alive not that fake greaseball bhaalspawn pretender Akorn.. She needs no hattrick.
BOOK IT.
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Jaheira? I mean, she is not youngest ... but still looking damn good. Ageist! I would never make such a remark about a lady's age.
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That's correct. Jaheira and Minsc are the only ones we haven't gotten confirmation about regarding romance.
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Baldur's Gate 4 - The War for Jaheira's Hand.
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So you can have Bear sex but there's no romance options for strait, male characters with a non-evil female NPC? If you are a straight male, you have the option to romance any of your female companions. That includes Shadowheart. None of the companions are limited to gender as they are all player-sexual. I think you missed the "non-evil" part. What I'm pointing out is that as far as I know there are no Good Aligned, female companions or any Good Aligned female NPCs available to romance as a guy. Is it that Larian thinks strait guys are only into evil women? How do strait women who aren't evil feel about being unrepresented in the romance options mix? Look, it's not a big deal, it's a game after all so take this discussion with a measure of both humor and seriousness. Larian has gone the extra kilometer to make sure underrepresented people have romance options that are positive and with both good and evil NPCs. This is great but what about strait guys, why are we not also given an option to romance a nice, good aligned woman? I'm a strong believer in inclusivity and I applaud companies for making sure those options are there but if you're going to be inclusive then you have to actually include everyone.
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So you can have Bear sex but there's no romance options for strait, male characters with a non-evil female NPC? If you are a straight male, you have the option to romance any of your female companions. That includes Shadowheart. None of the companions are limited to gender as they are all player-sexual. I think you missed the "non-evil" part. What I'm pointing out is that as far as I know there are no Good Aligned, female companions or any Good Aligned female NPCs available to romance as a guy. Is it that Larian thinks strait guys are only into evil women? How do strait women who aren't evil feel about being unrepresented in the romance options mix? Look, it's not a big deal, it's a game after all so take this discussion with a measure of both humor and seriousness. Larian has gone the extra kilometer to make sure underrepresented people have romance options that are positive and with both good and evil NPCs. This is great but what about strait guys, why are we not also given an option to romance a nice, good aligned woman? I'm a strong believer in inclusivity and I applaud companies for making sure those options are there but if you're going to be inclusive then you have to actually include everyone. If you want a non-evil romance option, you can romance Shadowheart, I don't think she's evil. Same thing goes for the male companions we can romance. The devs did say that your companions alignments can change depending on your choices and if they like you enough to follow you.
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as I know there are no Good Aligned, female companions or any Good Aligned female NPCs available to romance as a guy. Has it been stated that you can't romance the Chaotic Good companion Karlach??
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I was won over by Karlach on Friday, after being dubious based on the encounter in early access. She was unexpectedly a complete sweetheart and, as we saw in the PFH, definitely romanceable. I do think balancing romance options to make it “fair” on some grounds is nigh on impossible given it’s so subjective which characters are going to resonate with people and interests differ. Best not to make it a competition and just say what we’d like to see. (BTW if it is a competition I will appeal to folk to recognise that at least we’re not in an Anomen vs Jaheira/Viconia/Aerie situation )
"You may call it 'nonsense' if you like, but I've heard nonsense, compared with which that would be as sensible as a dictionary!"
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If you want a non-evil romance option, you can romance Shadowheart, I don't think she's evil. Same thing goes for the male companions we can romance. The devs did say that your companions alignments can change depending on your choices and if they like you enough to follow you. I suppose we could have some metaphysical debate of "what is evil anyway?" but let's be honest, she's evil. She worships a deity that wants to annihilate everything in existence. It doesn't come much more evil than that.
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I think it's Karlach for the good side, and Shadowheart for the evil to neutral side.
I emphasize with your complaint, though. Karlach isn't really everyone's type and it feels forced in good playthroughs. I'm hoping Larian has romance options with NPCs that aren't quite part of your party, but on your side nonetheless. With what I've heard, I'm expecting a solid number of them.
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If you want a non-evil romance option, you can romance Shadowheart, I don't think she's evil. Same thing goes for the male companions we can romance. The devs did say that your companions alignments can change depending on your choices and if they like you enough to follow you. I suppose we could have some metaphysical debate of "what is evil anyway?" but let's be honest, she's evil. She worships a deity that wants to annihilate everything in existence. It doesn't come much more evil than that. I don't really care what alignment the romance companions are for me personally. I'll romance whoever appeals to my taste. The OP doesn't feel that straight male players have good options in terms of "good aligned" female companions. Perhaps he doesn't find those female choices attractive.
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If you want a non-evil romance option, you can romance Shadowheart, I don't think she's evil. Same thing goes for the male companions we can romance. The devs did say that your companions alignments can change depending on your choices and if they like you enough to follow you. I suppose we could have some metaphysical debate of "what is evil anyway?" but let's be honest, she's evil. She worships a deity that wants to annihilate everything in existence. It doesn't come much more evil than that. Maybe it's just me but I thought it was ridiculous clear in EA that she is actually a Selunite that was somehow forced to do Shar's bidding, which is why her memories are fucked. So yeah, Shadowheart, while often annoying, is almost certainly a good person at heart.
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I don't really care what alignment the romance companions are for me personally. I'll romance whoever appeals to my taste. The OP doesn't feel that straight male players have good options in terms of "good aligned" female companions. Perhaps he doesn't find those female choices attractive. I can't speak for the OP, but from the initial post, that was not the issue he was concerned about. It is that none of the female love interests are non-evil. I think he is possibly wrong though, since I suspect Karlach might not be evil. (It is difficult to tell since 5e stupidly removed alignments.) So yeah, Shadowheart, while often annoying, is almost certainly a good person at heart. Even if that were true, and I don't think it is, it doesn't help since she will be perceived as evil when players are choosing a romance option.
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