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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
Guys, calm down. I want that extra three days too but the early access was only one part of what was promised. They promised the entire digital delux edition, of which three day early access was only one feature. A major feature sure but it's not like they're leaving us with nothing. This isn't escalating to the point of legal action. Think about it this way, if they had taken away any other one feature of the Digital Deluxe edition, would there be this level of furor and "lost trust"? Everyone is getting the game a month earlier, it's not as though we're actually losing anything, substantively speaking. Even the folks who bought EA for the three day early access are still getting value for their purchase in the form of stuff they would otherwise have had to pay extra for.

Time is the one commodity that you can never get back. So totally disagree that it's not substantive. The other items in the digital deluxe doesn't have anywhere close to the same value for me. They are nice to have items.

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Totally agreed. Cancelling the 72 hour early access is highly unethical. It's called bait and switch and many countries have laws to protect consumers against it.

If this proves to be the case I will be very disappointed in Larian. Lots of trust will have been lost.

Respectfully, this is nonsense. They said it was launching 8/31, and EA players would get act 1 on 8/28.

Then they moved it up to 8/3 for everybody. To complain about the 72 hour thing disappearing when you're getting the game 3 weeks earlier than you otherwise would makes no sense.

It comes across as "I need my special shiny that other people don't get."

You're getting the game much earlier than anticipated, there is nothing logical to complain about

Its pretty hilarious people are trying to make this a false advertising thing

Imagine telling a judge "my icecream cone got turned into a Sunday, nut not there people have Sundays, thats illegal!"

I think it's more like:

before purchase:

"You'll be able to access Act 1 72 hours before the release date if you purchase Early Access"

right before release:

"You cannot access Act 1 72 hours before the release date, but now the release date is moved up a month for everyone"

Do you see the difference? If people purchased the game with the understanding that a 72 hour early access before the release date (those dates that change all the time), then they could be understandably expecting that 72 hour to hold, even if the release date is moved up. If EA was advertised as including 72-hour early access before the normal buyers, then yes, it is false advertising if they changed it. Now, if they never mentioned 72 hour early access as part of the deal, then it's not false advertising, but just moving the release date doesn't make them exempt from promises.
They promised Deluxe edition players would get to play the game on, 8/28. That still the case, its just that everyone gets to play it 8/03 now too

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Originally Posted by Elessaria666
Yep, I agree the Sale Contract argument is insanely petty and stupid, but there will 100% be people that make a fuss about it and that is universally bad for Larian. IMO they made a major misplay not stating 6th August release with 3rd for Digital Deluxe owners if they are truly constrained to 3rd August for some reason. And I'd be very surprised if that isn't the reason we haven't had clarification yet. They probably have a legal team, marketing team, community team, publishing team and development team plus Swen all trying to sort out the mess in a way that isn't a greater liability going forward.

I really don't think Larian has anything to worry about.
Only an absolute moron would complain about getting a game 25 days earlier than promised.

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I must have an optimistic streak. I've been thinking that the silence means that behind the scenes they're trying to make July 31st happen, but can't make a promise yet.

I certainly hope they don't delay till Aug. 6. Delaying the general release in no way benefits pre-orderers, and at this point there doesn't seem to have been reason for anyone to pay extra for the deluxe edition when they automatically get the upgrade for free until the game releases--or some other date that Larian could announce.

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They never said that the 72 hours were tied to the date of august 31 but to the official release. At this time, the release was scheduled for august without more precision.

Official release is : august 3. So the 72 hours apply to this date.

Speaking of august 31 is a mistake because it does not exist anymore. There is nothing at this date. The release was fixed earlier to avoid Starfield, not to grant access to an early access of 4 weeks with full content. It is not a gift, it's only the release date they have chosen. It does not change anything about the fact that they sold 72 hours early game when the game will be available. If the game is available august 3, the 72 hours begin july 31. If it is august 31 the it begins 3 days before. On PS5 the release is fixed september 6, so the 72 hours period begins the 3rd.

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Originally Posted by Elstinger
They never said that the 72 hours were tied to the date of august 31 but to the official release. At this time, the release was scheduled for august without more precision.

Official release is : august 3. So the 72 hours apply to this date.

Speaking of august 31 is a mistake because it does not exist anymore. There is nothing at this date. The release was fixed earlier to avoid Starfield, not to grant access to an early access of 4 weeks with full content. It is not a gift, it's only the release date they have chosen. It does not change anything about the fact that they sold 72 hours early game when the game will be available. If the game is available august 3, the 72 hours begin july 31. If it is august 31 the it begins 3 days before. On PS5 the release is fixed september 6, so the 72 hours period begins the 3rd.

That is false.
They said the 3 day early access was August 28th.
Then the CEO of the company said that the 3 day early access was replaced with a 28 day early access and we would be getting the game on August 3rd.

Complaining about getting a game 25 days earlier than promised is a unique kind of idiocy.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah
Do you see the difference? If people purchased the game with the understanding that a 72 hour early access before the release date (those dates that change all the time), then they could be understandably expecting that 72 hour to hold, even if the release date is moved up. If EA was advertised as including 72-hour early access before the normal buyers, then yes, it is false advertising if they changed it. Now, if they never mentioned 72 hour early access as part of the deal, then it's not false advertising, but just moving the release date doesn't make them exempt from promises.

That argument would make sense if they paid *more* for the 72 hours. But they didn't pay more, they just paid earlier. If they'd paid more, I could understand it would be reasonable feel like they paid extra for something they aren't getting. But they didn't pay more, they only paid earlier.

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It more the fact that people have to download the game and book time off from work... If you do all that and Laurian remixes dates there will be bad blood no one needs

Personally the lack of communication is harming them more


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Originally Posted by Ussnorway
It more the fact that people have to download the game and book time off from work... If you do all that and Laurian remixes dates there will be bad blood no one needs

Personally the lack of communication is harming them more

I'm one of those who would love to take a weeks vacation to play a video game, but then again, my wife might start to think there is something wrong with me.

What do you say, Should I reach in deep to my dark Urge? :)~


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It more the fact that people have to download the game and book time off from work... If you do all that and Laurian remixes dates there will be bad blood no one needs

Personally the lack of communication is harming them more

I'm one of those who would love to take a weeks vacation to play a video game, but then again, my wife might start to think there is something wrong with me.

What do you say, Should I reach in deep to my dark Urge? :)~
Bend the 1st and second doing things with her, and the next 5 days gaming

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So be clear with the wife as to which dark urge you have in mind ... She may be into that as well?


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Except the 72 hour EA was featured on their marketing page, selling the more expensive version of the game. Which is a common sales tactic.

That 72 hour EA promise and wording was still up when the release date was changed to August 3rd, and many people purchased collectors with the understanding that they would be receiving 72hour EA based on the August 3rd date.

Also, let's be honest, Larian didn't want to release with Starfield, one of the most anticipated releases ever. They aren't giving you the game early as a 'favor', they moved the PC release up strategically.

Larian needs to do the right thing and honor the 72 hour EA, period. Honor what was promised when money was exchanged.

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I'm not particularly annoyed by this, but I acknowledge that if they have everyone start on August 3rd, then people who did not buy the version with the head start are going to get to play 28 days earlier than they expected, while the people who spent more money for the head start get to play only 25 days earlier than than expected. They get a smaller wait time reduction than people who paid less. I think their grievance is justified.

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Yeah, I'm firmly in the "it's not really a big deal," camp but I would like to have seen it communicated more clearly. Then again, it's certainly possible that they originally weren't planning on keeping it and are now thinking they may have to so they're determining how possible it is. For all we know part of the issue could be related to the logistics of figuring out how to deal with all the upgrade keys. They sold a million copies in the first week and every one of those people is entitled to the Digital Deluxe upgrade key... not to mention everyone else who has bought it in the over two and a half years since then.

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Originally Posted by colinl8
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Do you see the difference? If people purchased the game with the understanding that a 72 hour early access before the release date (those dates that change all the time), then they could be understandably expecting that 72 hour to hold, even if the release date is moved up. If EA was advertised as including 72-hour early access before the normal buyers, then yes, it is false advertising if they changed it. Now, if they never mentioned 72 hour early access as part of the deal, then it's not false advertising, but just moving the release date doesn't make them exempt from promises.

That argument would make sense if they paid *more* for the 72 hours. But they didn't pay more, they just paid earlier. If they'd paid more, I could understand it would be reasonable feel like they paid extra for something they aren't getting. But they didn't pay more, they only paid earlier.

And paying earlier comes with certain bonuses, 72 hours for Act 1 being one of them. If Larian is going to pretend that 72 hours mean 3 days before the original day, which is now voided, then fine, but either way, if they said that early adopters will have 72 hours earlier than on release buyers, then they've gone against that at this point.

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"Do to so many unhappy people concerning multi classing and racial stats. We are going to re code the game to accommodate everyone, Will update you when we get a time line at the next PFH in December" Thanks for sticking with us your all GREAT!


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https://twitter.com/Cromwelp/status/1678718424342573056

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It’s going to be clarified in the incoming community update.

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They never said that the 72 hours were tied to the date of august 31 but to the official release. At this time, the release was scheduled for august without more precision.

Official release is : august 3. So the 72 hours apply to this date.

Speaking of august 31 is a mistake because it does not exist anymore. There is nothing at this date. The release was fixed earlier to avoid Starfield, not to grant access to an early access of 4 weeks with full content. It is not a gift, it's only the release date they have chosen. It does not change anything about the fact that they sold 72 hours early game when the game will be available. If the game is available august 3, the 72 hours begin july 31. If it is august 31 the it begins 3 days before. On PS5 the release is fixed september 6, so the 72 hours period begins the 3rd.

That is false.
They said the 3 day early access was August 28th.
Then the CEO of the company said that the 3 day early access was replaced with a 28 day early access and we would be getting the game on August 3rd.

Complaining about getting a game 25 days earlier than promised is a unique kind of idiocy.

There is no mention of any date tied to the 72 hours early start on the pre-order page. That is the sales offer not whatever the CEO or rep said anywhere else.

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Short info to add here. While I'd be happy to be able to play on 31st and content with playing on 3rd, on Steam the Community Update #20 has the updated release date of 3rd of August and additionally still the 72 hours early play for PC mentioned.

So at this point this might as well be a very legal thing. I'm not too sure as I'm not a lawyer and even if I was, I surely wouldn't sue, but it's worth noticing I think.
There is still talk about 72 hour early play for PC users.


Die Collector’s Edition sollte es bis zum 31. August, also dem ursprünglichen Veröffentlichungsdatum, zu euch schaffen. Wenn ihr euch das Spiel für den PC geholt habt, erhaltet ihr euren Steam-Code vorab per E-Mail, sodass ihr früher mit dem Spielen beginnen könnt. (Kurzer Hinweis: Early-Access-Spielstände werden ab dem Zeitpunkt der Veröffentlichung nicht mehr übertragen, dafür aber Spielstände innerhalb des 72-Stunden-Zeitraums vor der Veröffentlichung.)


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The Collector's Edition should make it to you by August 31, which is the original release date. If you've purchased the game for PC, you'll receive your Steam code in advance via email so you can start playing sooner. (Quick note: Early Access saves will not be transferred from the time of release, but saves within the 72-hour pre-release period will).

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Originally Posted by AvalonTzi
Short info to add here. While I'd be happy to be able to play on 31st and content with playing on 3rd, on Steam the Community Update #20 has the updated release date of 3rd of August and additionally still the 72 hours early play for PC mentioned.

So at this point this might as well be a very legal thing. I'm not too sure as I'm not a lawyer and even if I was, I surely wouldn't sue, but it's worth noticing I think.
There is still talk about 72 hour early play for PC users.


Die Collector’s Edition sollte es bis zum 31. August, also dem ursprünglichen Veröffentlichungsdatum, zu euch schaffen. Wenn ihr euch das Spiel für den PC geholt habt, erhaltet ihr euren Steam-Code vorab per E-Mail, sodass ihr früher mit dem Spielen beginnen könnt. (Kurzer Hinweis: Early-Access-Spielstände werden ab dem Zeitpunkt der Veröffentlichung nicht mehr übertragen, dafür aber Spielstände innerhalb des 72-Stunden-Zeitraums vor der Veröffentlichung.)


Deepl Translation:
The Collector's Edition should make it to you by August 31, which is the original release date. If you've purchased the game for PC, you'll receive your Steam code in advance via email so you can start playing sooner. (Quick note: Early Access saves will not be transferred from the time of release, but saves within the 72-hour pre-release period will).


" I'm not too sure as I'm not a lawyer " I am or at least I was before I retired from that game.

Contract law is one of the most unusual forms of law in that while there are specific jurisdictional differences, the core elements are the same throughout nations that relay on international trade (ie most of them)

When you sign a written contract both parties are bound by those terms. This happens when you click ok on the EA Licence. I haven't bothered reading the actual license but as it's an EA it certainly won't mention a completion day

Anything that is said after is irrelevant, sorry.

There are some cases where a representation was made prior which caused the buyer to enter into a contract, but they have to be a)before signing b)egregious to almost downright lies c) caused the buyer to enter (ie evidence that this was THE contributing factor to signing). These rarely happen as salesmen bullshit all the time and all over the world courts have always generally rejected anything that wasn't extraordinary and rule that salesmen bullshit is part of the process and to be expected. It is a general worldwide rule that if you signed (electronically or not) a written contract, you read and agreed to its terms

As has been stated multiple times Swen went out of his way to express the Aug 3 date as replacing the 3 days. It was a careful way of expressing it to cover this very issue

It's ok to be disappointed but drop it with the legal stuff, it's just silly

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