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I would much rather rule the world and dominate it, rather than kill everyone and rule over a graveyard.

We're the vessel of Bhaal not Bane

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Originally Posted by N7Greenfire
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I would much rather rule the world and dominate it, rather than kill everyone and rule over a graveyard.

We're the vessel of Bhaal not Bane
Even so Bhaal cannot single handedly kill everyone. Even the god of murder must resort to deception to start wars, which is where most murder comes from. He must have some capacity for persuasion and manipulation.

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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
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Originally Posted by TheAscendent
I would much rather rule the world and dominate it, rather than kill everyone and rule over a graveyard.

We're the vessel of Bhaal not Bane
Even so Bhaal cannot single handedly kill everyone. Even the god of murder must resort to deception to start wars, which is where most murder comes from. He must have some capacity for persuasion and manipulation.
I mean not really. That's more of Cyric. Bhaal is just about strait up murder.

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Fascinating stuff, tks for sharing the video.

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I think I have had an interesting realization about The Dark Urge after looking up some more lore. Obvious potential spoilers:
After all the gods were cast down to walk the world as mortals Bhaal impregnated countless women whose children would have Bhaal's essence as a means of preparing for his death...but the thing about that is that Bhaal was only to be resurrected AFTER the death of the last Bhaal spawn. Now if The Dark Urge is truly capable of becoming as powerful as a god that can only mean one thing...The Dark Urge cannot be just a Bhaal spawn, but Bhaal himself reincarnated. A Bhaal spawn would not be able to wield the full power of Bhaal. That would explain the seeming amnesia and lack of memory...he probably did not exist and was only manifested into existence recently...presumably after the last of the Bhaal spawn had died.

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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
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Originally Posted by TheAscendent
I would much rather rule the world and dominate it, rather than kill everyone and rule over a graveyard.

We're the vessel of Bhaal not Bane
Even so Bhaal cannot single handedly kill everyone. Even the god of murder must resort to deception to start wars, which is where most murder comes from. He must have some capacity for persuasion and manipulation.
I do hope the kinds of evil Larian show in this game are more nuanced than just puppy kicking kind of evil where it's like Fable where you are either Jesus or Creator of Webp.

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I mean, the chance to exist as an actual Avatar of a God - the God of Murder - and walk the earth fueled by that as a power.

You get to explore what it means to be an Avatar - filled with the divine essence of the God of Murder - and yet you have your own individual will.

Once we defeat the Absolute and free the God of Murder - I hope we can continue to play as his vessel.

I bet you gain the ability to transform into The Slayer.


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I mean, the chance to exist as an actual Avatar of a God - the God of Murder - and walk the earth fueled by that as a power.

You get to explore what it means to be an Avatar - filled with the divine essence of the God of Murder - and yet you have your own individual will.

Once we defeat the Absolute and free the God of Murder - I hope we can continue to play as his vessel.

I bet you gain the ability to transform into The Slayer.
And, if they ignore Abdel Adrian, given each Bhaalspawn was a piece of Bhaal that re-amalgamated into Bhaal, you can imagine that the protagonist in BG3 is a semi-continuation of Gorion's Ward.


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Originally Posted by TheAscendent
I would much rather rule the world and dominate it, rather than kill everyone and rule over a graveyard.




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Evil can be played many ways, as i wrote i think in my post on my intent to play evil, evil is a shade of gray... yes you can go like swen suggested and just kill people or devour them, but that is not in of itself evil. Evil is about acts that seek to multiply harm not for harm sake, or greed, those are lesser acts, true evil is intentionally pretending to be good and setting up events in such manner, that you and only you benefit while destroying your opponents by crossing, double crossing, triple crossing, usually in the form of laws and pacts.

eg: emperor palatine versus vitiate in star wars. Palpatin although he causes a war, by seeking to maximize war and ruin and greed for his own pleasure ultimately only creates a war that lasts about 20 years- he looses more troops, allies and supplies by 10x then what he won.

Vititate, on the other hand, decides to remain concealed, he creates ideology of good and evil, and is elected emperor by two civilizations, this allows him to continuously grow in power from those who die in the war by using a certain artifacts and stealing their knowledge and discoveries, the old republic war ends up lasting more then 1000 years, leading to billions of deaths, and concludes with vititate devouring a planet killing 48? billion people as a culmination of a 1000 year plan to become immortal.

As one can see from the above example, that vitate was not only more of a grand evil, vitiate is written a lot more like a devil from DnD. This is the style of evil that I am hoping that the dark urge ends up being, killing people in a chaotic evil play through is fun, but I am worried that if its going to be heavily featuring evil type 1, that larian put all their efforts into, we will not get a proper option to RP as swen said generally doing evil paths is not worth it. I would not fault larian if they fail to implement a proper evil/ lawful path as to date only 2 games have done this successfully- Swtor/ kotor, and dragon age origins.

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
I bet you gain the ability to transform into The Slayer.
And, if they ignore Abdel Adrian, given each Bhaalspawn was a piece of Bhaal that re-amalgamated into Bhaal, you can imagine that the protagonist in BG3 is a semi-continuation of Gorion's Ward.[/quote]

Abdel Adrian is not a cannon in my games. I guess that is the case with other players. And judging from the Dark Urge race flexibility A.A. is probably irrelevant, anyway.

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What I am wondering most is.... Can you give your Dark Urge a Name? I get why the other origin Characters have a fixed name, and... Dark Urge has no memory maybe, but should at least have a nem, right? Even if it's just something he gives himself?

In the demo, they introduced themselves simply as 'The Dark Urge', which seems weird to me; but suddenly I wonder if you can;t even change that.


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Originally Posted by rodeolifant
What I am wondering most is.... Can you give your Dark Urge a Name? I get why the other origin Characters have a fixed name, and... Dark Urge has no memory maybe, but should at least have a nem, right? Even if it's just something he gives himself?

In the demo, they introduced themselves simply as 'The Dark Urge', which seems weird to me; but suddenly I wonder if you can;t even change that.
Yup, it has been confirmed by Larian somewhere, can't remember where...

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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
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Originally Posted by TheAscendent
I would much rather rule the world and dominate it, rather than kill everyone and rule over a graveyard.

We're the vessel of Bhaal not Bane
Even so Bhaal cannot single handedly kill everyone. Even the god of murder must resort to deception to start wars, which is where most murder comes from. He must have some capacity for persuasion and manipulation.
I mean the reason he attained this status was to control his brothers. Bane chose to be a tyrant to have immediate control, Myrkul chose death to have control over others, but most far seeing one was Bhaal who even when he lost was able to get himself a status that was controlling both of them, act of murder so realms of death and tyranny are under his control and Bhaalspawn were another showcase of his more strategic mind. Bhaal is not stupid evil and I do hope Dark Urge path if you give into it will reflect that.

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