Originally Posted by Sansang2
Originally Posted by Ixal
Having "just" a 15 instead if a 17 has basically no effect. Calling them unusable and useless is just plain stupid, especially when you use that to demand to drain immersion and the "role" out of a role playing game.

Then why do you want to force these completely useless and unnoticeable bonuses for races?

Do you know that the strongest orc will always be as strong as the strongest halfling? And that the strongest barbarian halfling will be stronger than any warrior orc ever existed?

If the math changed due to Larian implementation, cool, I'm interested to see how it plays it out. I didn't know because I haven't played the early access. But the point you are making for racial stats still holds no value because not BG3, not Larian, but 5e as a whole already left that concept behind.
I focus on them because the stat bonuses are part of the identity for races. (Half)Orcs are stronger than others, elves more dexterous and dwarves are known for being though.
But that identity is now getting removed because of whiners that refuse to play something without maxed stat for their class, completely missing the point of a role playing game.