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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
BS I have to be subjected to seeing.

Seeing where? Do people comes into your house to force you play with them?


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I'm curious now. Keeping in mind that I don't know much, what about Astarion makes him specifically a rogue?
Astarion is something of an exception. I think the main concerns atm are:
-Halsin
-Jaheira
-Shadowheart
-Gale
-Wyll
-MAYBE Minsc

Wyll? I mean, can't he be a fighter or an oathbreaker paladin who made a pact with a devil?
Few years ago I dmed Descent into avernus and my players were costantly tempted to sign contracts with devils. Even more, one of them were in constant contact with a devil, sharing informations and gaining powers. It's not like I forced him to stop being a barbarian and become a warlock, nor he learnt eldritch blast. Anyone can make a pact with a devil, but all warlocks made a pact with someone.
That’s fair, but there is something of an unutilized Chekhov’s Gun in changing Wyll’s class, in a weird, oblique way.

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Originally Posted by Sansang2
Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
BS I have to be subjected to seeing.

Seeing where? Do people comes into your house to force you play with them?
Sorry I have to say you made me snort coffee out of my nose and it hurt.
I’m imagining someone crashing through my window with a bulky gaming laptop and screaming, “LOOK AT THIS GNOME SHADOWHEART”


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insulting people in a friendly, good-natured way

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Didn't know it was a thing.


Maybe it's just me and my friends, though I suspect not grin

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
BS I have to be subjected to seeing.

Seeing where? Do people comes into your house to force you play with them?
Sorry I have to say you made me snort coffee out of my nose and it hurt.
I’m imagining someone crashing through my window with a bulky gaming laptop and screaming, “LOOK AT THIS GNOME SHADOWHEART”

I'm laughing too now shadowheartgiggle


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Originally Posted by Sansang2
Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
BS I have to be subjected to seeing.

Seeing where? Do people comes into your house to force you play with them?
Come on now...you know this nonsense would be spammed everywhere online, including these forums. "Look at my Shadowheart! [insert image of the ugliest troll they could create]" yeah I really don't care what you think, not allowing us to change unique companion appearance is just a massive win all around.

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Originally Posted by EvilParrot
So Gale being a barbarian with no spellcasting ability makes sense?
There was a Wizard, not so long ago, who was especialy gifted in channeling a weave ... one could say he was making spells, as musician is composing simphony.
As it happens, his admitely non-negligible talent caught the eye of godess of magic herself, and she made him her chosen one ... but the Wizard wanted more ... he fell in love with Godess, ans she, for the time as it was, returned his affection ... or at least so the young Wizard thought.
In time tho, her visits were more and more distant, until one day she visited the Wizard for last time ... Wizard was heartbroken, and dedicated to earn affection of his love once again.
So this Wizard found an ancient book, where old magic was traped ... magic that was primordial piece of his Godess ... "maybe," this foolish Wizard though, "if i manage to return this piece back to her, she will see that im still worthy" ...
But something went wrong.
Oh something went horribly wrong!
This primordial piece was hungry for magic, and it was draining everything around ... the Wizard could have died that day, and he almost did ... but his link to magic was forever damaged.

When Wizard a little later find out that his deed didnt impress Mystra at all ... he got angry ... VERY angry ... and that is when he find out that he had other hidden talents this whole time.

The end. :P

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Astarion the oath of devotion paladin?
There was an Elf noble ... usualy pretty face good-for-nothing noble ... surely you know hunderts of such kind, all parties, no work, all himself, no worries about anyting.
Until one night, when he was ambushed ... and almost killed.
Mysterious stranger appeared ... offered him eternal life, in exchange for eternal servitude ... our Elf didnt even think about consequences, he didnt care about them for last dozen decades, so why start now? He accepted. And finaly find out what it means to serve ...

Centuries past ... two of them if im not misstaken ...
Lots of time for our Elf to forgot about that Noble ... but he didnt, he still remembered person he was, at least on surface, since he weared it as a mask in public ... but nothing behind it remained intact.
Our Elf was broken, bitter, lost ... forsaken.

But ways of Faith are unpredictable.
Our Elf was kidnapped again ... one could even claim he was rescued, even tho it might be pure accident.

Now free of his cruel master ... our Elf wanted to finaly do all those things he allways wanted, all the hings his master allways did, but forbids him to do them aswell.
He wanted to fight, conquer, destroy and plunder ... but before he managed to meet first person to satisfy his twisted desires ... he realized, that no matter what, he is not his master.
And so he made an Oath ... Oath so sacred one couldnt believe that being so dark can be so noble.

Will he keep it, tho?
Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by Sansang2
Gale has been retconned heavily
I think that was Wyll. wink

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I still dont understand why cant we change Race for our hirelings. frown
Lets us play Githyanki as racist as they trully are! frown
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I'm really curious how much players trying to play good or neutral are going to screw themselves out of content. I will not go into the origin stories of NPCs, maybe there are redemption arcs or whatever else, honestly I don't care and I don't even want to see it. But for Tav we have anyhow nothing when it comes to content. It look very much like DOS2 you get punished by being completely neglected by Larian since you ignore their characters. With the Urge - well its a designated murderhobbo and its fine, its made for people who want that, but I seriously doubt there is a lot of content if you ignore the urges.

Now the tadpole remains the only thing for those who don't want to do the Larian path... and sorry, if I have a creature trying to take control over me and I'm not a power hungry maniac I'm not keep attaching more of those things to my brain. How the hell do most of your companions agree to this BS in the first place? I know Astarion is fine with it because he is desperately looking for power, but the others? Already in EA that meant that you never meet that 'Desire' or get any reaction for doing it. Let's he how much we get in the full game or if it continues like that...

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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
BS I have to be subjected to seeing.

Seeing where? Do people comes into your house to force you play with them?
Come on now...you know this nonsense would be spammed everywhere online, including these forums. "Look at my Shadowheart! [insert image of the ugliest troll they could create]" yeah I really don't care what you think, not allowing us to change unique companion appearance is just a massive win all around.

But I quite agree with you on that. I wouldn't mind if there was the option but I don't miss it either. Honestly, who cares. I'm commenting only on your vivid reaction who I felt like it was... sadistic? Anyways, sorry, I've been harsh myself and I think we can close the courtains on this inner discussion.


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Through mods we will be seeing weird bullshit online regardless of whether it hits full release or not.


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Originally Posted by biomag
I'm really curious how much players trying to play good or neutral are going to screw themselves out of content. I will not go into the origin stories of NPCs, maybe there are redemption arcs or whatever else, honestly I don't care and I don't even want to see it. But for Tav we have anyhow nothing when it comes to content. It look very much like DOS2 you get punished by being completely neglected by Larian since you ignore their characters. With the Urge - well its a designated murderhobbo and its fine, its made for people who want that, but I seriously doubt there is a lot of content if you ignore the urges.

Now the tadpole remains the only thing for those who don't want to do the Larian path... and sorry, if I have a creature trying to take control over me and I'm not a power hungry maniac I'm not keep attaching more of those things to my brain. How the hell do most of your companions agree to this BS in the first place? I know Astarion is fine with it because he is desperately looking for power, but the others? Already in EA that meant that you never meet that 'Desire' or get any reaction for doing it. Let's he how much we get in the full game or if it continues like that...
That's what different playthroughs are for. One time you play good, the next time evil, another time you can mess with something in the middle, etc. But it's not like if you play good you get screwed. If you play evil more companions will leave you or will die, etc. but you'll have more personal power while if you play good you'll have more companions and allies to help you out of difficult situations that you wouldn't have if you played evil.

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Hopefully I can murder my companions and steal their tadpoles. All I need is Minthara and some hirelings

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Originally Posted by Maximuuus
That said in a comment : fextralife said that he talked about it with devs and that they were not sure if this would be in the game at release or not.

Cool... In fact August 3rd is the beta release date.
Glad to know the 33-month long EA was of great help to them.

I still have high hopes for the game though.

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Oh boy, humans get a whopping +20 carry weight in a game where carry weight is useless. Try not to spend all that carry weight in one place bucko.

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Originally Posted by Hyde
Oh boy, humans get a whopping +20 carry weight in a game where carry weight is useless.
I believe BG3 does have an encumbrance meter that the game enforces. After a while you will have to drop some stuff. Technically D&D does too but few DMs ever enforce it so you could easily believe that D&D characters have infinite carry capacity.

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Originally Posted by Hyde
Oh boy, humans get a whopping +20 carry weight in a game where carry weight is useless. Try not to spend all that carry weight in one place bucko.

Don't forget the proficiency with polearms and light armor... both of which are utterly useless to anyone playing a martial class. Sorry, but that's not going to cut it.

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The video did say that changing a companion's class has the side effect of disabling some dialog. Perhaps even whole sections of their personal story. It definitely sounds like a poor idea.

That being said, it is absolutely optional. Don't like it, don't change it. But maybe in someone's fetid brain, it's ideal for Gale to be a barbarian. It doesn't change your experience, so it doesn't matter that they can make that change to theirs.

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Originally Posted by Hyde
Oh boy, humans get a whopping +20 carry weight in a game where carry weight is useless. Try not to spend all that carry weight in one place bucko.

Are humans mules now? Not dwarfs? That's new, lol


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Originally Posted by Darth_Trethon
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Oh boy, humans get a whopping +20 carry weight in a game where carry weight is useless.
I believe BG3 does have an encumbrance meter that the game enforces. After a while you will have to drop some stuff. Technically D&D does too but few DMs ever enforce it so you could easily believe that D&D characters have infinite carry capacity.
It technically does, but you can teleport stuff from your inventory to your party stash. So it effectively doesn't matter.

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I'm not sure I'm a fan of this new tadpole system. It being intended as a progression system to compensate for slower leveling. It seems like something firmly for the pro-tadpole playthroughs. Which is fine, but framing it as an option to compensate for slower levelling rather than an option to make evil playthroughs more enticing makes me worry that good playthroughs really are being neglected.

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