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Well given that 5e is already an afterthought in the most of the changes released recently, why care about being close to the original?

Because at a certain point a fighter stops being a fighter. Most of these changes also are probably being done hand in hand with wotc for 5.5

And really what would you change? The cool fighter roll is already taken

I don't see you complaining about the human changes, now weirdly RAW is valuable? Well I'm no game designer but I'd make Battle Master maneuvers core for Fighter without the need to burn the Archtype slot. It works like a limited array of spells and would offer opportunity to escape the auto attack archetype.

Actually, it's closer to having cake at lunch and you watching someone else eat 4 slices of cake then bitching there should be a limit on one slice of cake per person because you only want one slice.

Asi changes are right out of play test stuff. Wotc is playing around with it.

The fighter already had action surge and multi attack, they make for good strikers. They don't need a buff. But the class fantasy itself is just kinda dull.


The zoro type grand swordsmen is filled by bards.

Badass with big weapons by barbs and pallys and clerics

Archer/calculated killer by rangers

Gish by warlocks or by melee build wizards

Even for the whole commander strategist thing clerics and paladins fill that roll better woth rheir cha and wis.

It’s a shame echo knight isn’t in the game. That is one of the more popular fighter subclasses for a reason. It has a lot more flavor and identity than most fighter builds.

Have you seen...all of EA, but particularly stuff that's come out on the past week??? They've changed a TON of stuff. Not to mention that Larian already made significant revisions to the Ranger (which people, including me, are mostly happy about).

Also, they can change all Fighters in a very specific way that doesn't involve creating new features or stepping on other classes' toes: give all fighters the Battlemaster maneuvers. Essentially, fold BM into the base fighter. This would drastically improve fighters' number of options in combat.

The problem is if you give them BM maneuvers for free they go from one of if not the best striker in the game to just totally broken.

Disagree in general, but even more so when considering BG3. If Larian is going to heavily buff spellcasters, multiclass combos, barbarians, and to a lesser-extent rangers, then they might as well buff Fighters too. Not buffing fighters is in fact a nerf to them relative to other classes (except the rogue which seems to also have gotten shafted).

And even if giving all fighters BM maneuvers *would* make them totally broken, well that could be easily tuned. Use d6 superiority dice or calculate Maneuver DC based on Int or fine-tune the maneuvers themselves.

No, "actually" it isn't.

Look I can guarantee the free BM maneuvers is less broken compared to the current iteration of twinned spell adding x2 dmg multiplier in a AoE is far more concerning compared to a fighter doing trip attacks with Champion Archetype.

CLARIFICATION:
Does EVERY warlock get to interact with their patron, or is that just a Mizora thing?
They made it sound like in the panel from hell it was every warlock, but here it sounds like it’s just Mizora.
This will determine if I play warlock or not. Either sorlock or sorcadin.

Well I assume you can only twin spells like chill touch, chromatic orb right? Certainly not fireball...

In EA you could not Twin spells you should not have been able to twin - but you could Quicken them and still double cast them.

So if you are asking if you can double cast fireballs every turn - if you have enough spellslots and enough sorcery points, signs trend towards yes.

Nah I think the big man said you can twin spell fireball.

You can not twin fireball, but you can quicken it for the same cost, and then cast it with your bonus action again.

You can also twin powerful single target spells, like the buffed haste, hold person/ monster, and later disintegrate.

If it works like in tabletop, the other metamagic options can also be quite good.
Subtle spell makes you immune to being counterspelled for example, and some of the end bosses seem to be spell casters.

Or heighten, which can make it much easier to actually hit with spells

I think you can also tripple spell? Quicken Disintegrate + Twin Disintegrate.

Cuz balancing is for NEEEEERDS!!

And then you can use Potions of Speed and/or Haste to cast a 3rd fireball!

The metamagic Twin is broken for those reasons.

According to the rules I can twin Haste, casting two leveled spells in one round, doubling the output of two martials, while concentrating on the 2 spells simultaneously.
I can twin Disintegrate and do 50-100 damage on two targets.

The metamagic twin is broken even with strictly applied D&D rules.[/quote]

Haste doesn't allow you to cast another spell - the description is pretty clear. As for attacks, you get +1 attack, not the regular attack action. Pretty sure what Larian is doing is simply doubling up on everything.

Also twinned spell is about extending a *single* spell - that targets *1* creature - to more targets. You are *NOT* concentrating on two spells in your haste example above - just as you aren't with the bless spell on multiple targets. So that is not broken at all and fits in the rules.

So you should not be able to use twin spell to cast 2 fireballs, which some are claiming.

Unless you can somehow (like AS) get another general action, that includes the 'cast spell action' you shouldn't be able to cast 2 spells around (except for a possible bonus action spell, but that has limits too, generally).

One can argue about whether Twin Spell is OP or not, but hat is a different discussion

Ok, remind me how that works? The rules say, iirc, you can't cast two leveled spells, only a leveled + cantrip, ever. So the Quicken rule does't change that - it simply talks about moving casting to a bonus action instead. That is how Solasta implements it - I played a sorcerer there - and that seems to be the description that is consistent with rules? That's how I've always read it. It is only 2 sorcery points to quicken - which is a tiny cost to pay, so not sure how any DM would interpret this to be Quicken in the old 3.5/PF sense (where it was spell level +4 , so hugely costly). Well, let me rephrase that any DM but larian ;-)