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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
Will you though? I've always found the idea that most members of a culture will learn to use a particular weapon pretty flimsy. Will a merchant from a merchant family learn to fight like a farmer would? Plus culture isn't a monolith. Would an elven urchin learn a bow and arrow? Or an elven scholar?

I agree. It's just as silly as giving stat increases to races. It's giving a system to a stereotype. Certainly there must be intelligent half-orcs and wise githyankis. And dwarves who have never had an impulse to touch an axe or hammer. But without such things, choosing a race becomes a simple and unappealing matter of superficial aesthetics.

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The solution for such would be something not interesting for a wider public but definitely for a more hardcore public.
Its a point buy system, you pick your race that has some biological perks, you have X amount of points to spend in background perks that are more resonating to the story you wish to tell with that character.

Done you allow different walks of life happen to every race in Faerun and it doesnt feel like certain races are a weird monolith no matter their location and strife their civilization went through at certain area.

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Originally Posted by N7Greenfire
Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
I think what's being ground up against here is that weapon proficiencies tied to race inherently don't make sense in most cases, so arguing lore justifications are going to work.

Polarms for humans is as legitimate as swords and bows for Elves, yeah you arnt innately born knowing how to use one, but the cultural importance placed on them means you probably know how to use them if you are of said race.
Learning how to use a sword and a bow as part of "becoming adult", along with proper manners, the 27 most important dances, the 341 most noble poems, and the proper way of strutting about in the meadows, does arguably make some sense for a species that lives for hundreds of years and don't have tiktok to mushify the brains of their youth.

But all humans taking the time to learn how to polearm is a rather different story.

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Originally Posted by EvilParrot
Sure, but this isn't a table top session with a dm who can change stuff on the fly.
There is the beauty ...
Nothing changed. smile Except what they are from now on.
Ergo ... DM isnt required.

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You have to make sure Gale the sorcerer doesn't keep paying out sorcerers, make sure Astarion isn't sneaking around in his full plate armor
Well ...
The important question here is: Did they ever?

I mean ... yes, you are corect, Gale as a Sorcerer should not complain about Sorcerers ...
But as far as i know Gale never did, so ... where is the problem?


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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
I think what's being ground up against here is that weapon proficiencies tied to race inherently don't make sense in most cases, so arguing lore justifications are going to work.
The sensible thing would be to split character creation into race and culture/background.
Race for ASI, culture for proficencies, languages, ect.

But WotC is not sensible.

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Originally Posted by Ixal
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I think what's being ground up against here is that weapon proficiencies tied to race inherently don't make sense in most cases, so arguing lore justifications are going to work.
The sensible thing would be to split character creation into race and culture/background.
Race for ASI, culture for proficencies, languages, ect.

But WotC is not sensible.

It would be AMAZING


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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by EvilParrot
Sure, but this isn't a table top session with a dm who can change stuff on the fly.
There is the beauty ...
Nothing changed. smile Except what they are from now on.
Ergo ... DM isnt required.

Originally Posted by EvilParrot
You have to make sure Gale the sorcerer doesn't keep paying out sorcerers, make sure Astarion isn't sneaking around in his full plate armor
Well ...
The important question here is: Did they ever?

I mean ... yes, you are corect, Gale as a Sorcerer should not complain about Sorcerers ...
But as far as i know Gale never did, so ... where is the problem?
If you play a sorcerer and tell Gale that, when he asks if you know about higher magic, he has some choice words about being a sorcerer. Mind you, he makes fun of you, if you are a wizard too ( 'Not very powerful...')


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Originally Posted by fylimar
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by EvilParrot
Sure, but this isn't a table top session with a dm who can change stuff on the fly.
There is the beauty ...
Nothing changed. smile Except what they are from now on.
Ergo ... DM isnt required.

Originally Posted by EvilParrot
You have to make sure Gale the sorcerer doesn't keep paying out sorcerers, make sure Astarion isn't sneaking around in his full plate armor
Well ...
The important question here is: Did they ever?

I mean ... yes, you are corect, Gale as a Sorcerer should not complain about Sorcerers ...
But as far as i know Gale never did, so ... where is the problem?
If you play a sorcerer and tell Gale that, when he asks if you know about higher magic, he has some choice words about being a sorcerer. Mind you, he makes fun of you, if you are a wizard too ( 'Not very powerful...')
And now imagine you respecced Gale into a sorcerer...
Makes total sense, right?

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Originally Posted by fylimar
If you play a sorcerer and tell Gale that, when he asks if you know about higher magic, he has some choice words about being a sorcerer. Mind you, he makes fun of you, if you are a wizard too ( 'Not very powerful...')
I believe his exact words are "there is gust of weave around you, what i need is a tempest" ...
And im not sure here, but i feel like its exactly same response as for Wizards.

Anyway that is his responce to your snark ...
You can hardly take game responcible for you laughing to Gale that you are better than Wizard. smile

Also as far as i know, Withers provide respec ...
And it seems safe to asume you wouldnt be able to respec your party members... at least until they become your party members. smile
So ... i wouldnt expect this to cause problems.


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Originally Posted by Ixal
And now imagine you respecced Gale into a sorcerer...
Makes total sense, right?
Not sure how would you do that ...

But PRESUMING you would ...
Yes, it does. laugh


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Originally Posted by Ixal
Originally Posted by fylimar
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by EvilParrot
Sure, but this isn't a table top session with a dm who can change stuff on the fly.
There is the beauty ...
Nothing changed. smile Except what they are from now on.
Ergo ... DM isnt required.

Originally Posted by EvilParrot
You have to make sure Gale the sorcerer doesn't keep paying out sorcerers, make sure Astarion isn't sneaking around in his full plate armor
Well ...
The important question here is: Did they ever?

I mean ... yes, you are corect, Gale as a Sorcerer should not complain about Sorcerers ...
But as far as i know Gale never did, so ... where is the problem?
If you play a sorcerer and tell Gale that, when he asks if you know about higher magic, he has some choice words about being a sorcerer. Mind you, he makes fun of you, if you are a wizard too ( 'Not very powerful...')
And now imagine you respecced Gale into a sorcerer...
Makes total sense, right?
I'm not changing companion classes.


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Reposting this here because its more appropriate:

Another problem with this new tadpole system? Before with using the tadpole to control minds in dialogue and the tadpole powers in combat, they were more like actual temptations. You get yourself in a tough spot, there's a button there to get you out of it, to give you a potential tial edge if you don't think you can handle it. This new system? You have to already have beaten your enemy and proven you're strength. Now its potentially always a premeditated move, a calculated power grab. Before, even a good character or a character who isn't good but still wants the tadpole gone might feel the pressure in a difficult moment to lean on the tadpole. If the only way to enhance the tadpole is by putting new ones in your head, I think this presentation actually makes them less tempting than before

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These choices are all left up to the player.

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I'm OK with lifting the multiclasing restriction because it will be easy to make Minsk a barbarian. He already had a rage feature and needs to be swinging a big greatsword with advantage.

I like wildheart barbarian, but I think Minsk is a beserker with the great weapon master feat.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by fylimar
If you play a sorcerer and tell Gale that, when he asks if you know about higher magic, he has some choice words about being a sorcerer. Mind you, he makes fun of you, if you are a wizard too ( 'Not very powerful...')
I believe his exact words are "there is gust of weave around you, what i need is a tempest" ...
And im not sure here, but i feel like its exactly same response as for Wizards.

Anyway that is his responce to your snark ...
You can hardly take game responcible for you laughing to Gale that you are better than Wizard. smile

Also as far as i know, Withers provide respec ...
And it seems safe to asume you wouldnt be able to respec your party members... at least until they become your party members. smile
So ... i wouldnt expect this to cause problems.
If you play as a sorcerer there is a whole lot of unique dialogue with Gale which makes no sense if Gale was a sorcerer (or indeed not a wizard). So that either needs to be cut or the game makes no sense. And that is just one small example from what is a very, very large game. And the point is they need to test all this cutting and re-writing in addition to actually doing it. At a time when they are releasing the game a month early.
Personally I would much prefer that they do not allow companions to have less than 1 level of their default class and not have to deal with all the issues this creates. Someone will then doubtless create a mod that enables you to play Gale the Barbarian and that is all fine because mods are allowed to break the game.

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The tadpole system is really not homebrew as much as it is part of the story.

The nameless one was immortal, In BG1 and 2 you were a Balespawn, in a similar game you were a watcher.

I will hard pass on putting more worms in my brain though, and have no problem with the standard level progression.

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Originally Posted by EvilParrot
If you play as a sorcerer there is a whole lot of unique dialogue with Gale which makes no sense if Gale was a sorcerer (or indeed not a wizard).
Give me dialogue ...
And i show you why you are wrong. smile

Originally Posted by EvilParrot
Personally I would much prefer that they do not allow companions to have less than 1 level of their default class
Thats is exactly the beauty of this ...
You can have them this way ... no matter how many times you respec, no matter how many times you reset, no matter how many other things you change ... you allways can just pick fist class for their "default class" ... if that is what you want. smile

Question that is far more interesting and certainly should be far more important ... is why do you need them to be locked this way in other people game.


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I believe his exact words are "there is gust of weave around you, what i need is a tempest" ...
And im not sure here, but i feel like its exactly same response as for Wizards.


I will never see that scene the same way again.

Thank goodness he didn't stick his pecker through the portal.

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It's a shame we don't have "I fart in your general direction" as a response.

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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
Originally Posted by EvilParrot
If you play as a sorcerer there is a whole lot of unique dialogue with Gale which makes no sense if Gale was a sorcerer (or indeed not a wizard).
Give me dialogue ...
And i show you why you are wrong. smile

Originally Posted by EvilParrot
Personally I would much prefer that they do not allow companions to have less than 1 level of their default class
Thats is exactly the beauty of this ...
You can have them this way ... no matter how many times you respec, no matter how many times you reset, no matter how many other things you change ... you allways can just pick fist class for their "default class" ... if that is what you want. smile

Question that is far more interesting and certainly should be far more important ... is why do you need them to be locked this way in other people game.

How about the time he teaches you a spell and then tells you that it takes years of study to be able to do it on your own. At the very core of the classes the difference between a sorcerer and a wizard is the years of studying requirement.

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