Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Poll - change origin character class?

I wasn’t being cute, I was being candid. Your obsession with this is weird. Most people don’t care. You are free to care as much as you like, and you are welcome to try and convince others of the validity of your position, but you don’t seem to be changing any minds.

Some people, myself included, are looking forward to playing around with respecing companions, so I’m very glad Larian does not share your concern. The best solution is to just let it be an option, because nobody if forcing you to do this and nobody ever will.

Absolutely agree with this 100%

In the thread about Gale, someone even asked why would Mystra still let him learn spells given his new backstory. A wild magic sorcerer could easily fit his backstory now, him slowly piecing magic together with the orb helping but also hindering him.

Astarion absolutely *should* be a bard and tbh he's spent the last 100 years as a charlatan as a spawn, not a noble. He wouldn't even have been allowed into a house uninvited. Totally a bard, with charm person and probably disguise appearance and high cha and persuasion and deception.

Wyll served in the Flaming Fist, his first class canonically should have been fighter. He lost his eye serving with them unless that has been changed. I would never change his first class from warlock but I'll definitely add a level of fighter there.

I probably won't change any origins first class just in case, but there's tons to reason to multiclass if the narrative works. If I romance Karlach and she becomes less angry surely a few levels of fighter adequately reflect? And if Laezel learns that everything she has been told is a lie you can easily see her use her anger later on because of it.

I don't care, If the game lets me respec companions, they stay what they are in my game, because I don't see them as anything else.
The most might be multiclassing, if it fits.

The more I think about it, the less I have a problem with it. On one hand it probably causes all kinds of weirdness with the origin stories. On the other, let's not pretend that we didn't also tamper with companion NPCs in BG2 to try different party compositions. We had to use mods to do that, but Larian is saving us the trouble in BG3.

Astarion is a bit meh as a rogue, IMO, but what if he was actually a vampire shadow or open hand monk? Wouldn't that fit the fangs a little better? Or gloomstalker, even?

Laezel is supposedly a fighter but she keeps shouting all the time. Are we entirely sure she wouldn't be much happier as a barbarian?

Wyll telling laughable tales about his heroics, surely that suggests a career as a jester more than anything? And what is more fitting than the blade of frontiers being a college of sword bard?

Gale is literally in love with the god of magic to the point where he took a netherese orb to the chest, surely that justifies him as a paladin of devotion.

And so on, and so forth. First playthrough, probably not. Second playthrough, same thing. But third, fourth, fifth? Why not? I don't know about everybody else but I've got space on my SSD. I'm not planning to uninstall the game anytime soon. And I'm not planning on kicking the bucket in the next few years either.

FTFY 😘

The only origin character I'll always respec is Astarion and I don't even need Withers to do it... respecing him from a walking corpse to a real corpse as soon as I discover him. Maybe resurrect him so I can kill him again...

Agreed. There have been mods to respec some of the companions on Nexus for quite a while. I have played with a cleric Gale and a paladin Shadowheart. Also used a mod to re-jig their stats.

Maybe you are right.
Maybe im not ...

Maybe i just got tired of theese "good faith debates" as you call it around here, where bunch of people are repeating the same thing over and over, and nobody bothers to actualy read what the other side say.
Or maybe i just dont see any "good faith" in demanding how other people game should behave, bcs it dont fit my own prefferences, that can be perfectly fulfilled even with options for others to be also satisfyed.

Maybe i just lost all hope, maybe i got to the point, where i believe it dont really matter what we want or wish, bcs Larian allready made their mind and our debates are no longer relevant, since they cant change anything anyway ... if they ever could in the first place.

Maybe that poll primal purpose is not give people perfectly neutral and impartiall(?) options to express themselves ...
Maybe it was written this way as part of my own expression about how ridiculous this demand feels.

And maybe, none of what i just wrote was meaned seriously.
Who knows?

This.

There will be mods I am sure to allow you to change their class for those wacky playthroughs which is totally fine, but I don't want the devs to be wasting time fixing story lines, dialogues, etc that are broken by class re-speccing of origin characters.

They can also not fix anything... You respec, some character might lose some coherence, you keep having fun.
Or you don't respec and everything works as intended.

Have i tho?
Ok ... lets see.

I repeat my answer: Who said the he WAS paladin all along? You can sworn an oath any time you want.
What i mean by this, is that we dont change Astarions story, just his class ... and we dont change his class retrospectively, but at the moment.
By making Astarion a Paladin, i dont say he was Paladin last 200y ... i claim he IS paladin ... like *now*.

But i also can offer alternative answer ... 2 things:
1) It was never his job "to lie" ... and if you wish to claim otherwise, i challenge you to show me your source.
2) Even if it would be ... "to lie" and to "not tell everything" is very important difference, that serves as easy workaround to writers for several last decades ...
"I would like to introduce you to somebody."
"Maybe you would like to follow me to some more ... private place?"
"Sheesh, this party is boring ... wouldnt you like to try something more exiting? I know about some place."
See? Neither is lie ... all of them is luring a victim to his master lair.
THAT is how Astarion would work as an Devotion Paladin.

And wich one of them do?
And when?

Since as far as i know, the dodge subjects, and refuses to talk a lot ... but they dont lie.

Again ...
You made same misstake as abowe, by respecing someone Class, you dont erase their history and whole life to this point ...

Gale still was a Wizard ... some time ago ... he is just not anymore.
Halsin was still a Druid ... some time ago ... he is just not anymore.

Im sure someone will ask how can anyone "stop being a Druid" ...
I dunno, and since its not cannonical part of their personality, neither will you, since it wouldnt be possible to talk about it with them.
Maybe Oakfather got pissed on him, maybe something went wrong and he decided that he will never ever again take another wilshape ... feel free to make your own headcannon, it dont matter anyway.

But you are not becoming Cleric of Tyr ...

What you are respecing is a Class ... meaning Cleric ... nothing else.
Just as Lolthsworn Drow cant become Cleric of Tyr ... they have to worship Lolth.
Just as Githynki cant become Cleric of Tyr ... they have to worship Vlaakith.
Just as Duergar will most likely be unable to become Cleric of Tyr ... they will most likely have to worship Laduguer.
Those are locked options.

Same apply to Shadowheart ...
Shar is locked on her, bcs that is what her story require.
No matter class, Shadowheart WILL worship Shar.

If Shadowheart will become Devotion Paladin ... she will be Devotion Paladin, worshipping Shar.
If Shadowheart will become a Wizard ... she will be Wizard, worshipping Shar.
If Shadowheart will become Cleric again ... or just change subclass to become different kind of Cleric ... she will be Cleric of Shar.

Yes ... even if she would be Light or Life Cleric, wich is allready possible and its two weirdest combination you manage to squeeze out of it.

Both are also not true.
It only need to open your mind a little.

Now ... will tho answer my questions?
(Said with Withers voice.)

But the question here is, if you mind that option ...
You dont have to use it, obviously ... and as it seems you will not ...

But does it bother you, that you can?
Thats what i want to hear.

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That is certainly possible ...
Personaly i dont think it would be nearly as disruptive as some people present it tho.

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And how is that relevant to ... well, anything?

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<3
If only there was more people with such mindset ... worldwide ...
Can you imagine? I dont ... but it sounds lovely. ^_^

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I would like to thank you for opourtunity to use this video as a reaction expressing my agreement for once.



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Me neither ...
The difference here is: I dont think it will be necesary.

Options are fine with me! I won’t change a companion’s class in my game if it clashes with the story, but I don’t mind if there is the option for other people to do so if they want.

As a side note, I’d like to stress that “responcible” isn’t an actual word.

Not at all. In the future, I might even use it once or twice, particularly for a hireling once I'm comfy with the game and just want to try out combos. Also. I don't mind others playing as they like; you do you.

But, if there was an option for hellmarch difficulty like in the Pathfinder games where it says; 'No-Reload, No -Respec, Core Rules for Multi, Hardest Difficulty and cannot change mid-game' - That's what I'd play everytime. EVERY time.

Thanks to Silverstar for creating a new, non-loaded version of this poll at https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=861441.

I genuinely want to understand what the majority of folk are feeling about this, and a more neutrally worded set of options is definitely the right way to go about discovering that.

I'm going to lock this thread now so we don't end up doing a similar thing in two places. Feel free to PM me if you want to move any posts of yours from here to the new thread, which I'll happily do for any constructive contributions.