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No one mentioned Dragonlance yet? That already comes with the "choose from this list of pregenerated characters" shtick.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
No one mentioned Dragonlance yet? That already comes with the "choose from this list of pregenerated characters" shtick.

I mean why not Greyhawk? There is always The Temple of Elemental Evil!


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Originally Posted by Blackheifer
Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
No one mentioned Dragonlance yet? That already comes with the "choose from this list of pregenerated characters" shtick.

I mean why not Greyhawk? There is always The Temple of Elemental Evil!
That's already been turned into a computer game once, and really it's dungeon-crawling doesn't seem particularly Larian's style. Seems more like another one to remake in Solasta to me (if someone hasn't already done it).

Dragonlance, like Planescape, with their character driven moral conundrums, seem more like Larian's style. Or even something more modern, like Stryxhaven or Spelljammer.


Most people, I think, when they see Greyhawk, expect something in the old school style - combat focused, gritty, high mortality, expendable PCs. And that needs authors who are into that style of play. Who made Crusader Kings? They might be your people.

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I just can't stand Avellone's writing style. I find it very pedantic, verbose, and over-the-top. That cleric charcater he wrote for PoE was just soooooo annoying and boring
galeworried how dare you, Sir! Durance is such a great companion.

I do think Av can be longwinded with his writing, but he seems to know how to write for the game so very well. Consistently strong themes and great utilisation of interactivity with the player.

Planescape is such a treasure trove of RPG narrative design.

As to the original commenter - I am not sure how Torment falls into Larian sensibilities - it was precise opposite of what Larian’s. Unless he meant setting, not the game, in which case I don’t really have an opinion. It’s the strong narrative design that made Torment and Mask of Betrayer so compelling to me.
Haha. Figured you'd react this way, knowing your views from the Obsidian forum. smile

I did like the grieving mother character, so go figure. And Mask of the Betrayer is one of my all-time greatest RPGs.

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Originally Posted by kanisatha
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I just can't stand Avellone's writing style. I find it very pedantic, verbose, and over-the-top. That cleric charcater he wrote for PoE was just soooooo annoying and boring
galeworried how dare you, Sir! Durance is such a great companion.

I do think Av can be longwinded with his writing, but he seems to know how to write for the game so very well. Consistently strong themes and great utilisation of interactivity with the player.

Planescape is such a treasure trove of RPG narrative design.

As to the original commenter - I am not sure how Torment falls into Larian sensibilities - it was precise opposite of what Larian’s. Unless he meant setting, not the game, in which case I don’t really have an opinion. It’s the strong narrative design that made Torment and Mask of Betrayer so compelling to me.
Haha. Figured you'd react this way, knowing your views from the Obsidian forum. smile

I did like the grieving mother character, so go figure. And Mask of the Betrayer is one of my all-time greatest RPGs.
Thoughts on avowed? Specifically the race limits and changed from the earlier trailer to now?


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Originally Posted by Slapstick
Oh god please no, let's leave the Sword Coast and Icewind Dale for once. There's so many other places of Faerun that I'd love a game to really dig into. Calimshan, Halruua, Mulhorand, Zakhara, Lantan. There's a plethora of exciting places to visit, let's go there!
Indeed. The FR has so many great locations and so much interesting lore, but game developers just keep recycling the same locations in game after game. The Sword Coast, Neverwinter, and Icewind Dale areas should be banned from all future D&D video games.

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
Thoughts on avowed? Specifically the race limits and changed from the earlier trailer to now?
Well, for one thing, Obsidian has officially stated we shouldn't go by how things looked in the new trailer because that is pre-alpha and does not at all represent how the game will look. So just want to mention that.

Avowed is fine, and I would play it for no other reason than because the PoE setting is second only to the FR as my favourite fantasy settings. But, first-person perspective is a hard 'no' and even a deal-breaker for me. I will play Avowed only if it comes with a third-person option. I also do hope they don't go changing too much with respect to gameplay mechanics. The constant tinkering with the rules and mechanics in the PoE games was aggravating.

Believe it or not, there are things about BG3 that I very strongly favor: its FR setting, that it is party-based, and its combination of isometric and third-person views.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
Originally Posted by kanisatha
I just can't stand Avellone's writing style. I find it very pedantic, verbose, and over-the-top. That cleric charcater he wrote for PoE was just soooooo annoying and boring
galeworried how dare you, Sir! Durance is such a great companion.

I do think Av can be longwinded with his writing, but he seems to know how to write for the game so very well. Consistently strong themes and great utilisation of interactivity with the player.

Planescape is such a treasure trove of RPG narrative design.

As to the original commenter - I am not sure how Torment falls into Larian sensibilities - it was precise opposite of what Larian’s. Unless he meant setting, not the game, in which case I don’t really have an opinion. It’s the strong narrative design that made Torment and Mask of Betrayer so compelling to me.

Yes, I was talking about the Planescape setting. Sigil is a city where ideas shape reality. Finding a way to express that in Larian’s systems driven approach would make for a completely unique experience in gaming, I think.

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I want Larian to do Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic III.


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Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
I want Larian to do Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic III.
Hate to break it to you buddy but I don’t think that’s happening between Disney, Ubisoft, and EA having their fingers in that pie.
Could be cool though.


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You know, I actually think Larian would do really with with a star wars game. I can't aay why, but something in my gut thinks it would work really well. And they might even gonna far as to provide a light-side sith way to play, which from The Old Republic is my favorite kind of storyline.

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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
No one mentioned Dragonlance yet? That already comes with the "choose from this list of pregenerated characters" shtick.

I mean why not Greyhawk? There is always The Temple of Elemental Evil!
That's already been turned into a computer game once, and really it's dungeon-crawling doesn't seem particularly Larian's style. Seems more like another one to remake in Solasta to me (if someone hasn't already done it).

Dragonlance, like Planescape, with their character driven moral conundrums, seem more like Larian's style. Or even something more modern, like Stryxhaven or Spelljammer.


Most people, I think, when they see Greyhawk, expect something in the old school style - combat focused, gritty, high mortality, expendable PCs. And that needs authors who are into that style of play. Who made Crusader Kings? They might be your people.

I would love to see Larian redo Temple of Elemental Evil.

Part of the appeal of that game was the way Homlet came to life. And Nulb, which the module encourages you to develop in more detail. It's about the characters and the community and what's happening in the surrounding land. Heroes and villains are born.

It can be run as a massive dungeon delve, of course, but I don't think that's the best approach.

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I don’t think Larian’s sense of humor would mesh well with Star Wars. Or more specifically, Disney executives.

But that could just be my own bias talking, as I only ever waiver between apathy and antipathy for Star Wars.

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
Hate to break it to you buddy but I don’t think that’s happening between Disney, Ubisoft, and EA having their fingers in that pie.
Could be cool though.
I never let such meaningless trivialities as reality to stand in the way of my dreams! :P laugh


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Solasta was awesome. The writing, story and characters are underrated. The gameplay, character system, and combat are awesome. Easily one if the best dnd rpgs ever.

Troika's TOEE was disappointing. The mechanics were pretty damn good but everything else was subpar. They forgot the module requires the DM to give them death.

PST was pretty good. People claim It didnt have a lot of combat but it absolutely did unless you purposefully avoided it. The writing, story, and characters were great. The gameplay/combat was lacking considering it used the same engine as BG/IWD.

As fir the topic...

Assuming bg3 is as fun as I expect, I'd prefer Larian continues with dlc/sequel so we can reach level 20+. Let us have access to 9th level spells. We need a game that let's us cast Wishy again and make it even more Wishy.

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Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
Thoughts on avowed? Specifically the race limits and changed from the earlier trailer to now?
The trailer had cooled my enthusiasm. I never expected it to be as RPGy as PoEs (Obsidian ain’t dumb - change of IP name has been a statement in itself), but I am a bit more concerned about the tone of the trailer. Original teaser was distinctively “Eora”, while the most recent one felt to me very bland and generic.

So now, I am just waiting to see more. I have many questions.

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Originally Posted by kanisatha
But, first-person perspective is a hard 'no' and even a deal-breaker for me. I will play Avowed only if it comes with a third-person option.
Same!
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
I want Larian to do Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic III.
That would be great!😊

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Originally Posted by Icelyn
Originally Posted by RagnarokCzD
I want Larian to do Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic III.
That would be great!😊
Halsin can play a Wookie. xD


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Originally Posted by FrostyFardragon
No one mentioned Dragonlance yet? That already comes with the "choose from this list of pregenerated characters" shtick.
I would be down for this. The Dragonlance Gold box games were awesome. Since Larian set out to prove they could do dark and gritty Dark Sun is open to them as well (although i would much rather prefer Dragonlance myself even though i am an FR die hard). Heck keep all the developers and break them into a DL and FR team.

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Originally Posted by Wormerine
Originally Posted by Zerubbabel
Thoughts on avowed? Specifically the race limits and changed from the earlier trailer to now?
The trailer had cooled my enthusiasm. I never expected it to be as RPGy as PoEs (Obsidian ain’t dumb - change of IP name has been a statement in itself), but I am a bit more concerned about the tone of the trailer. Original teaser was distinctively “Eora”, while the most recent one felt to me very bland and generic.

So now, I am just waiting to see more. I have many questions.
Avowed was one of my most hyped games and the trailer and news kinda killed that.


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