Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Dragonborn other than aesthetic their trash

There are a selection of faces, crests and jaws in dragonborn character creation from screenshots I've seen, so you may be able to combine them differently to create one whose head looks more to your liking than you've seen in streams. I have also heard there are three tail options including no tail (or perhaps as well as no tail).

I also wonder why WOTC don’t give them the armor bonus that a draconian sorcerer gets. They have way more scales than their squishy cousins…

Agreed. There's a clear lack of consistency here. I'm not big into worrying about making sure Peter's character is balanced in power with Paul's, but little things like scales providing AC should try to be as consistent as possible.

Natural armor bonus should be applied for sure, With that said it wouldn't stack with armor but for mages and such wearing no armor Natural armor should be applied. Only makes sense to me.

well that explains the tail issue.
But ive seen the customization options.
basically the options they picked for the white dragonborn dark urge characters seem to be the least.... over the top there are.
and its still all very large.
Nothing ill throw a fit about.
But the options in general are very feared for that VERY LARGE SPIKEY HEAD.

I play a race for the aesthetics and the feel. Dragonborn are right on the 2nd place after the drows in my list. :P

Dragonborn do have lips. You can see them articulating every so often, and when we see a Dragonborn NPC their lips will probably move as they speak. Snouts don't necessarily mean a lack of lips. Giraffes are a good example.

Also, a Dragonborn is an intelligent creature. Just because they don't necessarily kiss to show affection (As I recall, they do a sort of jawline nuzzle instead according to a novelist) doesn't mean they can't understand the meaning behind the act and understand what a kiss means to their partner.

So a Dragonborn sharing a kiss with a more human-faced partner can make complete sense. It's not how they'd show affection to another Dragonborn, but they know the purpose of the act and enjoy the affection meant through it all the same.

Much as I'm not a particular fan of 5E, I do think that even as an old-school player it's worth defending against the previous edition. Much as I'm not a fan of the previous edition, I will happily admit that it was easily the best balanced and most cohesive rule-set to ever come out under the D&D banner. It threw out a lot of previous sacred cows, and the game play was for the better because of it. The problem I, and many other D&D fans had with was that it changed the underlying tone and systems to the point that for many of us it didn't scratch the D&D itch. It felt too different for people who wanted to play D&D rather than simply try a new tactical RPG to really get into it. The greatest steak in the world still won't satisfy a craving for sushi.

Personally, I think the main reason dragonborn are there is because the second D stands for Dragons so they wanted a draconic PC type. As for older players disliking them--and I have to admit that I'm not a fan--there are a number of reasons behind it. Part of it is that they simply don't fit the aesthetic many of us grew up associating with D&D. They look more like a character from an anime than from a Robert E. Howard or Fritz Leiber story. Personally, I think they work pretty well in Eberron, not as well in Forgotten Realms, and not at all in Greyhawk, but other peoples' mileage may differ. There's also the fact that many of us are biased against anyone wanting to play a dragon character because so many people who played draconic PCs in the old days played homebrewed overpowered characters that stole everyone else's thunder.

As for abilities and support, I think part of it is simply that fewer people have an idea of what dragonborn really are. We have almost a century of lore for Tolkien elves and dwarves--and they are extensions of ideas that go back millennia. Dragonborn are new, and they don't fit neatly into any existing mythology the same way. Tieflings don't have the same problem to the same degree because they already fit into the existing mythologies. Wizard with demon blood? Merlin. On the plus side, it's something that will self-correct. As the old-school ages out, those players who are more comfortable with the newer aesthetic will come to dominate so it won't be a problem in future.

I do really wonder what the balance of races is going to end up looking like. Do we think they're going to change much, between here and launch? Obviously they COULD, but as far as I know we don't have much information on what they're working on, per se. Tightening up balance wouldn't be a bad idea, in truth. I will admit I hope dragonborn are slightly better than they are at present, because aesthetically they are 100% my jam. I've played lizardfolk and such off and on throughout the years, probably starting with Iksar back in EverQuest, and I'm excited for Larian's rendition. It takes a bit of wind out of the sails when they seem to be so lackluster racial ability wise, though.

I think any major rebalance will come in 3~6 months in the form of an update. They'll release pretty close to what they've shown, they'll take the temperature of player and media reaction, and tweak accordingly. Some people will be fussed at stuff that gets nerfed, some people will rankle at stuff that gets a boost, and some people will praise the rebalance. A story as old as time.

this time next year there will be dozens of mods adding this or that... as long as the game boots this time i'll be too happy playing to worry about big heads or missing tails

Hah, this is probably going to be the accurate projection, yes. But I remain hopeful! Truthfully I'll probably play a dragonborn regardless, I'm quite fond of their design--even if I can't help the slightly sour taste of how not great they are ability wise. Won't stop me from playing Tactician, though.

To me the Dragonborn looks good, but I think they made them to have human mannerisms instead of completely alien ones. It ends up looking like a beautiful rubber suit with a human inside.

As for racial I think both Dragonborn and Humans needs improvement. +1 natural armor maybe for the lizard folks.