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All positive framing devices are copes.
All negative framing devices are seethes.

Tbf success in Wizarding tends to involve either the shadow Weave or mystra liking your booty.

The "positive spin" is in regards to the disussion here. So also no need to accuse me of "needing to cope" or whatever. I just tried to look at it differently.

Gale: Mystrussy got my actin unwise

Thanks, fylimar. An interesting read! Though I had to read a Google translated version.

I notice the same journalist has also published his impressions from playing the game. Not sure if that's already been shared here!

Swen was very spoilery in that interview. If he isn't careful, he spoils the ending before the game ships

I saw a reddit post about a twitter post where a dev seemed to confirm that if you don't play as the DU, you can encounter him in the game world.

This makes it sound closer to another damn origin character than a more fleshed out Tav.

Someone made a good point that in this case we will probably meet them as that Slayer monster we saw in the trailer.

In that interview, which I had previously seen myself, Swen not only confirms DU was a serial killer but also openly refers to DU as a psychopath, exactly as I described the character right from the beginning. He then asks whether, if such a person has amnesia, they are still that same person? The answer to that question is not at all complicated. It is indisputably 'yes.' And for me, it is very troubling that so many people seem to believe that playing a psychopath can be "interesting" and "fun." My two cents.

IIRC during the PFH Sven said the murder on baldurs gate interactive thing they did was to promote the DU so yeah, if we decide to not use DU I'm 100% sure we'll have a related quest on BG about DU putting 2 and 2 together.

Ah yes who could imagine wanting to play a franchise where the player characters have innate killer urges...

How is that any different than playing Hitman where you control a literal...hitman... or playing GTA where you drive through groups of innocent people with your car and kill/rob people every minute you play the game? People should learn the difference between fiction and reality, my 2 cents.

While I can't speak for everyone, some of us can separate fiction from reality. For example, in TES4: Oblivion and in Tyranny, I played cold blooded killers fanatically devoted to bad people. In Neverwinter Nights, I played a compassionate paladin who was heroic and noble no matter what. In BG3, I will play some good hearted characters, and some evil ones. I am also going to play Dark Urge and try to be good, but if my character falls to darkness, that could be a fun story too.

Ultimately, who cares how other people play. I'm not sure what trying to shame people into playing what you consider to be non psychopathic characters is supposed to accomplish.

I think I will go for a combination of the two. My Dark Urge who is a human sorcerer! Sorcerer seems like the default class from the promotional images. I also spent some time crunching the numbers, and I will keep Gale as the default Wizard of the team (make him conjuration specialist), while I will be a powerful (and likely insane) Sorcerer.
I know I can respec the Origins, but their classes are so intertwined with their character histories and backgrounds, messing around with them might unravel the story in unforeseen ways.
Hard to tell though.

It's worth mentoring that one of the appeals of an extremely evil playthrough is that it's like a game you're playing with the game designers. "Oh yeah, well how will you handle it if I do *this*!"

And the answers are usually fun. Playing a complete murder hobo in Outer Worlds turns up all kinds of things that leave you laughing out loud.

It's a way to milk as much content from the game as you can

Oh, I think we can dispute anything round here

Of course, the lost memory and whether you are still the same bad person if you don't remember has been done before (eg KotOR) but I still find it interesting. Particularly as there's the implication that there is something external and supernatural in the Durge's urges. It seems entirely possible that something was driving their psychopathy (I've seen some theorising about what that might be). And even if they were morally responsible for succumbing to their urges previously, if once their memory is wiped they resist this time around then while I personally would say that didn't absolve them of their previous actions, I don't think it's implausible to say they are good now (post memory wipe), even if they were evil in the past. I imagine in many ways it could be challenging and even harrowing to play a character who wants to be good but has something inside them driving them to evil, and clearly not to everyone's taste, but for me has potential to be extremely engaging.

Personally, I think I'll find it even more traumatic to play a Durge who succumbs to the dark side, but then I'm the sort of person who struggles to watch horror films when so many people love them. And I certainly wouldn't draw any worrying conclusions about the RL morality of anyone from the fact someone found it interesting to play a character being dragged into darkness, any more than I would from a love of horror films or books with unpleasant anti-heroes

John Locke’s entire philosophy in shambles rn

I will do Dark Urge that tries to supress it's urges, but is so afraid of them that it shoves Tadpoles into it's brain just to make them stop appearing. I think it would be interesting and kind of sad role play.

The smart answer to that:
Ha! I'm not touching that with a 10-foot pole!


Why do you hate democracy?

And didn't Knights of The Old Republic do this? You could play an evil Sith with your psychopathic assassin robot? That was a hoot.

Also, calling an incarnation/avatar of the Lord of Murder - infused with the divine essence of Murder itself - a psychopath, is a bit reductive.

While I prefer playing good aligned characters, I played an evil killer in one of our Cthulhu groups and a Sabbath Tzimisce in our Vampire group. That was indeed interesting, because I couldn't rely on my moral code, I wouldn't call it fun though - I mean the groups are fun, but playing the evil guy wasn't my favorite thing. I don't like playing evil characters in video games, because more often than not it is the mwhahaha over the top evil.

I mean now that we know, that Durge is indeed the serial killer there is the question, if a redemption arc is possible. I guess only if the Durge was indeed forced /controlled by another entity, Bhaal or whoever. In that case, it would be interesting to break free of that influence and take back your life and your free will. If Durge is a serial killer and psychopath by their own doing, then I don't know how that can be possible. I mean a Hannibal Lecter doesn't stop killing. He could go in the Dexter category and only kill bad people, but he would still be a killer. I do however think from what we have seen and heard and read about Durge, that there is an outer influence, so breaking free and go back to being good should be possible.
You should however be aware that you will start with quite a lot of baggage.
I don't think, that wanting to play an evil character says something about a person in real life. SOmetimes, you just want to see another perspective. And as Queen mentioned: Revan, one of the most beloved protagonists, starts as an evil Sith with a memory wipe - similar to our Durge here. And my Revans always ended up the most lightsided girls.

I prefer my own Tav - at least for now. Maybe I try a Durge later on, but that depends on where that story goes.