Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General Baldur's gate full release balancing

I haven't played early access and I haven't watched extensive streams of it either. But good to know that dark vision is a skill that actually matters in the game.

Sorry about the potential spoiler then but I can assure you Darkvision in BG3 is a must if you don't want to roll at a disadvantage almost constantly or rely on torches/cantrips or other inferior methods of illumination xD

Shield dwarves are screwed as fighters, barbs or str rangers only. They are the best caster pick in the game now. Their racial proficiencies are just immense for any class that doesn't rely on mobility. At level 4 they'll have 18 main stat, 16 con, medium armour, darkvision, poison resist/adv. Best sorcerers, wizard, lore bards, blaster warlocks.

Half elves got completely hosed though

Oh I am good with this. Stuff like stats, powers, abilities, I want to know about. I know a bunch about D&D 5e but BG3 differs quite a bit in areas and a bunch of classes work a bit differently than in 5e. I am glad to know that dark vision is actually valuable.

Just to add another point, before the current state of game (Patch 9) the game used to be very different.

Main reason reaction system was introduced was because of player feedback as Larian originally did not plan to implement it. Also, originally high ground gave advantage, which once again was changed only after player feedback. Player feedback also changed cantrips creating surface effects...

Ya, Tasha's rule just sound like min maxers trying to cheat. Going to cry cause my fav race doesn't have the best attribute, garbage.

To be fair, there is a difference between 'best' and 'not worst'. While I think some of the complaining has been overdone, there are definitely notes of truth to the whole issue of some races being objectively worse to a significant degree.

Darkvision is a huge deal even in Act 1 - not jusst that but the differing ranges are a big deal. A Drow can engage enemies in the dark at max range; whilst a Wood Elf needs to get significantly closer to be able to see an obscured target, which makes it harder to remain unseen. Depending on how they implement the Gloomstalker bonus that's another variant to account for.

I mean the old race attributes don't make sense in the first place. The idea gnomes are innately better wizards than humans is laughable.

There are single human wizards who could probably kill the whole gnome race by themselves.

Usually people who oppose Tasha's tend to like one of the old meta races...

That's thematically, exactly where they *would* shine, though.

I'm gravitating towards a Halfling Diviner with Lucky feat. Bring it, poison.

I can't speak for much much this is a WotC change vs a Larian change, but I will say the following:

Changing racial attribute bonuses to generic +2/+1, whilst preserving most other racial bonuses will change what races get picked. If this leads to obvious picks for the classes available, with clear outliers of uselessness, I'll be on board with "bad idea" line of thought. I'm not very well versed in the race/class diversity, as I tend to play only magic users before I get bored with a game, so I haven't much else to say on this.

Dark vision is useful, as has been discussed here already.

Whilst we're on the topic of balance, I sure hope we won't be able to sneak-cheese in release. Optional or not, it leaves an opening for shenanigans that break immersion, balance and ultimately us as players.

Spiders Human ArchWizard Georg is an outlier and shouldn't be counted.

These a ton of human archeizards of that calibur or higher though.

Like 15 Netheril Archwizards, Elminster, Mystra, Azuth, Elminster Szass Tam,

Like wise there multiple gods of sneaky stabby guys that are humans, so it doesn't make a ton of sense elves are innately better sneaky stabby guys either.

Some excellent points here, now compare and contrast that with how Larian 'sold' the Dragonborn in the PFH. It was nearly all about the fantastic job done on the model and the pretty colours you could do.

There is already some discussion of the ability score issue in, eg, https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=859218 and other threads.

I suspect duplicate discussions on similar points in different threads is inevitable given how much is coming out right now, but if I could just ask for everyone's help to cut down on this by pointing out similar discussions in different threads to new forum members and not making their same points in two threads on the same topic when they're both live (though linking to something they've said elsewhere could help) that would be much appreciated!

I know it's a losing game to try to impose law on this point, but I'm hoping to at least achieve neutral rather than chaos

Do you think Shield Dwarves are a good pick for War Cleric?