Originally Posted by Vitani
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Sorry, if you bring it up you get the details. Lesbians have been portrayed as non-existent or evil for hundreds of years so enforcing that in fiction is problematic. We're normally outside the times when lgbt romances in games are excluded to appease bigots so it's also frustrating that Larian are still developing like it's 1999.
I could have worded it better, sorry. I am just done with men fetishizing lesbians (and the ther way around) and every time this is brought up all my red flags go off. Now that you explained it's hard to disagree, on the other had Larian prosimed us that all those charatcers go both ways with a little nudge from the player. So I think that Lae'zel still won't be cuddling kitties on the streets of Baldur's Gate in the end, but won't be a raging rasist if you decide to be her positive influence.

Same with Shadowheart, she doesn't even come off as completely evil to begin with, egoistical, but not cruel. Pretty much a standard human being, or I just have bad luck meeting good people laugh

And Karlach is already on the lookout for those kitties to cuddle, so nothing to say here smile

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As for the origin characters if it's anything like DOS2 you can try and twist them from their roots but you don't get a lot of freedom to do so. You can just not pick their specific dialog but that only mitigates who they are and if you never pick their specific dialog they don't feel like origin characters. You get wiggle room with the evil characters (Wyll, Gale and Karlach), but the stupid evil ones can only really be stupid evil or inconsistent.
Again, if companions have a shiftable worldview than so will the player. I just refuse to belive we will be forced into any kind of situation (excluding Dark Urge here!) we didn't want. Even if you play Lae'zel you cannot be possibly forced into hating on everyone's nose or battle prowess. Sure, you might miss out on the flavor of the character, but in the end playing a good character is often missing out on cool stuff - that is part of the experience, as I learned smile

If it's like DOS2 you're going to get an additional option as Laezel to be racist, or kick puppies or burn down orphanages. You won't have to do them, but those will be the moments Laezel expresses herself as Laezel. Not doing them is an option but also doesn't fit with the person you're trying to play as. Playing against them at every turn is unsatisfying in DOS2 and I'd expect the same here. You can sand down the edges but the core remains the same.

Shadowheart is lying about who she is. At the start of EA she wasn't competent at it but after refinements she's got some semblance of manipulation going. If you're not seeing her as full on stupid evil then that shows the manipulation is working.

Karlach is a closed book but all the other origin characters are evil I can't imagine she's an exception. There's going to be some very grim stuff in her backstory for sure and much of that is still bubbling along.

What frustrates me more is while all of this makes it hard to embody any of the female characters in BG3 the guys fetishising lesbians have at least three conventionally attractive options.