Originally Posted by booboo
This is a 5E though not 4E or any other version, and the way it is supposed to work is quite clear from the 5E rules. That you don't consider it an issue doesn't invalidate the concerns or experiences of others - can it be worked around, sure, should one have to? No.
i was using other editions as a reference.

i know how 5e rules work. i also think that 5e rules arent very good.
Changing shove is a good change imo.