Originally Posted by Vitani
Originally Posted by Rack
What frustrates me more is while all of this makes it hard to embody any of the female characters in BG3 the guys fetishising lesbians have at least three conventionally attractive options.
Ah, so it's about their looks, not morals. Gotcha.

No, the exact opposite of that. If I only cared about looks there'd be no issues at all. The problem is in the way the characters are all too evil for me to comfortably play as or with. But on release I'm sure there'll be fetish bait all over the internet.
Originally Posted by rodeolifant
Originally Posted by Rack
You won't have to do them, but those will be the moments Laezel expresses herself as Laezel. Not doing them is an option but also doesn't fit with the person you're trying to play as. Playing against them at every turn is unsatisfying in DOS2 and I'd expect the same here. You can sand down the edges but the core remains the same.

That's not really how I read her. She's from a harsh culture, but also rather naive. We haven't seen the Githyanki yet, but I suspect somehting terrible will happen there that your Laezel can go with, or against. Either will 'feel fine' and develop her path from there. Kicking kittens is on you, but not really how I read the character; she's more pragmatic than purely evil. Making fun of Dwarves is, though. I'll grant you that.

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Shadowheart is lying about who she is. At the start of EA she wasn't competent at it but after refinements she's got some semblance of manipulation going. If you're not seeing her as full on stupid evil then that shows the manipulation is working.
Her story is that she's a spy whose memory was wiped by the Sharrans. Now, she may or may not suspect that, but not saying who she really is, isn;t exactly lying either. She's not very trusting, as befits both a spy and a Sharran; but shes conflicted more than most when taking the evil path, so, her actual heart might not be all that shadowy.

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Karlach is a closed book but all the other origin characters are evil I can't imagine she's an exception. There's going to be some very grim stuff in her backstory for sure and much of that is still bubbling along.
Probably, but she's also the one that wants to go out on dates and discuss marriage and children and such. Again, I think it'll feel natural going either way. I can see her slaughter hundreds in a fit of rage when betrayed or pushed too far, too. I think this is the one most tailored to modern audiences.

I genuinely think you should approach it differently; instead of picking Paragon or Renegade just for the colors - Try and pick what feels most natural to you and your character. Who benefits in my party? Who do I trust? It'll make for a far better experience, regardless of who you play. They said in one video or another that no playthrough is truly good, and no playthrough is truly evil. Although the Urge might have something to say about that.

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What frustrates me more is while all of this makes it hard to embody any of the female characters in BG3 the guys fetishising lesbians have at least three conventionally attractive options.
Yes, well. It's the same options you have.

Laezel is naive but that doesn't really give any room for her not to be fullon stupid evil. She's happiest when she's kicking puppies for fun. Take away the structure of Gith society from her and there's no reason for her to be any less evil.

When I say Shadowheart is lying about who she is, it's in terms of her pretending to be less evil than she is. She was less guarded about being full on evil in the first iteration but when this was pointed out to be ill fitting she was changed to seem less evil. That makes her a far more compelling villain but doesn't let her fit any better into a good party for longer than a few hours.

I'm not thinking of this in terms of paragon and renegade for the colours (the game doesn't even have colours) but in terms of who do I trust? The psychopath? The devotee of lies planning to destroy the world? The serial killer? The mass child murderer? If I don't metagame then Karlach is the only character who can fit in my party but I'm either playing a vanilla character or as her and at some point there's going to be a major problem when I discover her villainy.

As for the options being the same it's true, but who is better served here? Me who doesn't care what the characters look like if their personalities are twisted or someone who doesn't care that their personalities are twisted as long as they are conventionally attractive?