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We know the patrons will appear in person in the game, and we know Larian like to tie everything into the plot, and we know the plot does not involve Cthulhu. Who would have shown up in datamining if his name was so much as mentioned. We 'know' nothing, we expect - as you say yourself here: They didn't say anything about "choices" outside of the selection of your subclass. So I'm not expecting more than 1 fiend, 1 fey and 1 GOO. And I'm expecting them all to be at around the strong cambion power level. Not everything is yet datamined.
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Raven Queen is not a Forgotten Realms Deity. She is just some being from the Shadowfell. I think you completely misunderstand...the "Forgotten Realms" is just a different iteration of the D&D Material Plane...that has nothing to do with all the other actual planes of existence in D&D...Shadowfell is a different plane of existence that exists alongside any and all D&D interpretations of the Material Plane. Shadowfell, the same as the elemental planes and all the rest are all there.Sure. But in some settings (AKA different prime material planes), such as Exandria and Netir Vale, the Raven Queen is a deity, basically doing the job Kelemvor does in the Forgotten Realms. Just because a deity from a different plane isn't called upon in the specific material written about a given iteration of the material plane it does not mean that deity could not be called upon in future materials based in that setting. There is nothing prohibiting Larian from implementing a Warkock subclass for a pact with the Raven Queen. All the other planes of existence and all the gods that reside in them are available.
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We know the patrons will appear in person in the game We do? Or is just wishful thinking? We know that Wyll's patron, Mizara, shows up and we know that another cambion, Raphael, was in early access, who may or may not be one of the patron choices. Beyond that, all we have is hearsay... Larian said that all the warlock patrons will be appearing in one of the recent videos. They didn't say anything about "choices" outside of the selection of your subclass. So I'm not expecting more than 1 fiend, 1 fey and 1 GOO. And I'm expecting them all to be at around the strong cambion power level. Wasn't there a clip/image of Tav and Wyll both standing next to their Fiend Patrons at one point?
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The Cthulu mythos would be a very cool thing to explore, since that really is the source of the Great Old Ones concept, but I don't know if the D&D license can do it. I recall TSR got sued years ago and had to pull the Cthulu stuff out of the Deities & Demigods book. But long before scaly Cthulu swam the great ocean, and aeons before the blasphemous and bubbling form of Yog-Soggoth took shape, there dreamed Mana Yood Sushai ...
"In the mists before THE BEGINNING, Fate and Chance cast lots to
decide whose the Game should be; and he that won strode through
the mists to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI and said: "Now make gods for Me, for
I have won the cast and the Game is to be Mine." Who it was that
won the cast, and whether it was Fate or whether Chance that went
through the mists before THE BEGINNING to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI--_none
knoweth." - Lord Dunsany
That kind of fits with the "coin on edge" theme which runs through BG I & BG II.
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Did they ever say we would see them in person? From what I recall they just said you’d be able to communicate with them. Unless I missed an interview. My guess is it will either be from some sort of non-verbal communication or they send an intermediary, like an imp, etc.
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The Cthulu mythos would be a very cool thing to explore, since that really is the source of the Great Old Ones concept, but I don't know if the D&D license can do it. I recall TSR got sued years ago and had to pull the Cthulu stuff out of the Deities & Demigods book. But long before scaly Cthulu swam the great ocean, and aeons before the blasphemous and bubbling form of Yog-Soggoth took shape, there dreamed Mana Yood Sushai ...
"In the mists before THE BEGINNING, Fate and Chance cast lots to
decide whose the Game should be; and he that won strode through
the mists to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI and said: "Now make gods for Me, for
I have won the cast and the Game is to be Mine." Who it was that
won the cast, and whether it was Fate or whether Chance that went
through the mists before THE BEGINNING to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI--_none
knoweth." - Lord Dunsany
That kind of fits with the "coin on edge" theme which runs through BG I & BG II. CThulhu is an official GOO patron in D6D, so he exists in that world.
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Raven Queen is not a Forgotten Realms Deity. She is just some being from the Shadowfell. That’s a reason for her having Warlocks and not clerics. It’s not unknown that a far realm being having warlocks to further their influence beyond their realm. I can see (not really the Raven Queen), a deity from another plane sign a contract with a Warlock to set up a following and/or build a temple to start up a fledgling religious order.
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Raven Queen is not a Forgotten Realms Deity. She is just some being from the Shadowfell. That’s a reason for her having Warlocks and not clerics. It’s not unknown that a far realm being having warlocks to further their influence beyond their realm. I can see (not really the Raven Queen), a deity from another plane sign a contract with a Warlock to set up a following and/or build a temple to start up a fledgling religious order. But, since she isn't a fiend, a fey or a GOO she aint in. There was a Raven warlock in a WotC Unearthed Arcana, but it didn't make the cut. So there is just a vague reference in hexblade, witch has been subsumed into pact of the Blade. Raven Queen is cool and all, but I don't see a place for her in this story. Tharizdun, mentioned as a potential GOO patron, is a Greyhawk deity, but has been sighted in the Forgotten Reals in the guise of The Elemental Evil Eye (Princes of the Apocalypse).
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The Cthulu mythos would be a very cool thing to explore, since that really is the source of the Great Old Ones concept, but I don't know if the D&D license can do it. I recall TSR got sued years ago and had to pull the Cthulu stuff out of the Deities & Demigods book. But long before scaly Cthulu swam the great ocean, and aeons before the blasphemous and bubbling form of Yog-Soggoth took shape, there dreamed Mana Yood Sushai ...
"In the mists before THE BEGINNING, Fate and Chance cast lots to
decide whose the Game should be; and he that won strode through
the mists to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI and said: "Now make gods for Me, for
I have won the cast and the Game is to be Mine." Who it was that
won the cast, and whether it was Fate or whether Chance that went
through the mists before THE BEGINNING to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI--_none
knoweth." - Lord Dunsany
That kind of fits with the "coin on edge" theme which runs through BG I & BG II. CThulhu is an official GOO patron in D6D, so he exists in that world. Cthulhu is vaguely part of D&D, in that he was in the 1st edition Deities & Demigods - removed on a reprint owing to a dispute with Chaosium (publisher of Call of Cthulhu RPG). But he is not part of the Forgotten Realms setting, where BG3 takes place. Like Tharizdun, he could appear from a different corner of the multiverse. But that is just to big for this story. it BECOMES the story. Who cares about The Absolute when Cthulhu and Tharizdun are in play?!
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