Larian Studios Forums Baldur's Gate III Baldur's Gate III - General It's a little late for that, but why make the Tiefling kids so disgusting

Depends on character but when I make a noble + paladin, I am playing the law, or at least someone how asserts as such. Kagha can acknowledge it too, though her validation is nice, not necessary.

Depending on dialogue options, as I see it Tav can basically become acting leader for the whole grove, on behalf of Halsin and the Emerald Enclave:

- Acting Arch-druid asks us to resolve internal security situation.
- Refugee leader out-sources to us the external security situation. At this point we are in actuality leadership.
- Emerald Enclave tenets are left in view to read. We have clear local guidelines.
- Absent Arch-druid's notes and diary are left in view to read, giving insight into popular leadership style.

Back to the children, Mol's antics could have jeopardized internal security, but realistically, not after Arabella's failure. Kagha takes care of making inner sanctum security really tight.

I'm not even sure how a Tav would tell someone like Mol off. She's street smart, but too immature to really understand dire consequences.

The real world has taboos against animal sex, and other depraved and evil things.

I also don't think outrage sources like Fox News, the right, or the left dictate my life.

I have played games which gave the option to kill children like Fallout. You know what? I never chose to do so even in my 'evil' playthroughs and the roleplaying and the game was the better for it since I made the choice not to.

The game is supposed to be about choice and roleplaying your character. They brag about playing evil and doing awful things and being good. This lack of choice limits my ability to do the good thing.

Also, one thing I've learned over the years, there are almost zero people who would not buy a game over something 'killing children' or 'bear sex' or some other 'social taboo' that were going to buy jt, anyways.

The outrage machine would not buy or play this game. Afterall, it's a choice. If you dint want to kill children which I do not, I can choose not to. If someone wants to be evil and depraved, they can. Afterall, you can roleplay a Lloth worshipping drow, and guess what, drow murder children as a matter of course.


But, in the end, it is what it is. The outrage machine wins again even though it did not stop games like ME, GTA, FO just for starters to be successful. Imagine that. People who weren't going to buy or play in the first place had little affect on them.

Another thing I wonder is if maybe this level of thieving is actually a relatively new occurence among the children. They've been on the road a lot, not had much opportunity to interact with strangers, so not much opportunity for theft. They probably snatched some stuff from the adults, but in the cave they didn't exactly have a great hoard of personal objects if I recall correctly. And they probably only stole small things anyway, since they wouldn't have much chance to keep anything on the road. So up to now any theiving has probably just been brushed off as a minor nuisance at worst, if it was noticed at all. It's only now that they have other potential marks to steal from, and that it's becoming at all apparent how far they're willing to push their luck.

Also, I always find it weird how impassioned people can get over not being able to kill kids in video games. I get the principle behind it and for that reason I support it if I'm asked, but it never stops feeling like a strange place to so firmly plant one's flag and have strong feelings about.

The kids are fine until they try and get the adults to murder you lol. There needs to be pay back in grove or BG. Don’t want to murder them though. Maybe drag Mol off to become a umm friend of the Zents. Who knows she may fit in well with them…

Edit: Or better yet, force her new guild to hire the Zents to “protect” them…

You make a good point. The outrage machine is like the weather - it can alight on whatever is in its line of vision. It seems random sometimes, and video games do occasionally find themselves in the crosshairs because they make good fodder for the gullible.

I mean it convinced an entire generation of people that someone is coming to take their Gas stoves just to cover up a Harvard Medical School study showing a link to gas stove ownership and childhood asthma. The culture war machine is very effective, amongst "certain" groups of people.

Lots of games have let you push the boundaries and Fallout is a great example. You could kill children and sell your wife into slavery. Ultimately we each get to walk our own path in these games and it lets us explore taboos and "evil" behavior. In Fallout 3 you could nuke a town.

However, given that you can wipe out the entire Druid Grove, including all the children, this feels like a non-issue.

Yeah, those Tiefling brats are deliquents the lot of them.
As Paladin I sat court on the Tiefling who stole the Idol. I gave her a week in juve and she grabbed a Darwin prize, doing a runner in front of a viper.

Them being annoying obnoxious selfish shits is pretty accurate for a lot of children though. As is getting no consequences for whatever they do, though that's more a current day thing than a medievalish one I guess.

Inability to kill them is probably just to minimize controversy upon release, but it probably won't be long after until there's a mod for it. Back in the days of Fallout 2 pickpocketing brats was so easily handled by having an inventory containing nothing other than a ticking explosive and standing in front of them, no mods required. How times change.

Omg, I remember doing stupid things with explosives in that game. Wasn't there a skill attached? I'm not sure if my guy was unskilled, or I was bungling, but I blew myself up a lot.

We played hot seat, each with our own saves, and played until we died. I'd sit down, ignore my friends, do something stupid, and swap out 5 mins later.

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the children are annoying so it isnt all clear cut.
You punish the children by punishing the adults.

Which is how punishment is dealt out in the real world, adults are responsible for the childrens behavior

Thank you for that The Red Queen. My apologies if I lost my temper a bit.

Continuing the discussion - Let me just say I don't think anyone (healthy) would be ok with a game that allowed you to sexually interfere with Children in any way. The community would rise up as one and condemn such a thing. That has never been ok, nor do I see it ever being ok. I am NOT ok with it.

But killing kids has been around for awhile. Ultima V, Fallout 1 and 2, Crusader Kings, The Witcher, Bloodbourne etc...

It's obviously deeply disturbing but the line has been crossed already.

Thank you

It would probably cause issues in a number of countries though. I remember how I had to specifically get a foreign version of Fallout 1, because all the children in Shady Sands were invulnerable in the German version.
Temple of Elemental Evil even had all children removed, which was utterly hilarious as dialog wasn't adjusted and at times refered to having met someone's kids.

And honestly I would be fine with that. It's not like it adds some special level of depth to the game that I would go to bat for.

"But if I can't murder children in a video game then the terrorists win?"

Richard Garriott did it in Ultima V just to fuck with people. You come into this room in the Stygian Abyss that has a bunch of "children" locked in cages, and if you open the cages the kids attack you. You can totally kill them with no consequences, or you can leave.

It may have been Ultima IV actually, I can't recall.

I really did not think these kids have such a hate club. This is quite disturbing

Ignoring the child aspect for a moment, it's interesting how some crimes are considered no big deal in video games and yet others are left for the most extreme fringe video games. Take sexual assault. How many players/publishers/review sites would be okay with a main character being able to sexually assault their companions? Or random npcs? I know I wouldn't be comfortable with it, and yet I don't really think twice about killing a bandit, or Astarion, simply because he annoyed me and pulled a knife on me a single time.

If an integral part of gameplay were to be sexually assaulting people to progress the story, would you feel different?

It's a bit of a crazy question. It's hard to imagine it as something productive, necessary, or done for any other reason than humiliation. You'd have to make a game about some succubus, which in turn will just make it pornography. Targeted at people with related kinks.

Quite different than a scene in Bg3 where, to extract information, you maybe assault someone's spouse in front of them. Even so, that's not the same as randomly assaulting your companions. The psychological commitment is graphic in either case. It's not gamified. It's not pornography. You can take away all the icky aspects of murder: the blood, the smell, the guilt and the consequences. You can't take away the knowledge of having tried to sexually dominate, it's the intent that's as repulsive as the act. It doesn't fade away like video game crimes that are thoughtless.

If a country censorship or ban a game because it dislike certain content that tells me that country is weak, immoral, and anti freedom. Everyone can choose to play or not play a game themselves. Let people choose what they want to play. Doesnt matter if it is besr sex, Child killing, marrying a family member, prostuting sheep,
nuking a city, etc., etc.

This goes fir films, TV shows, and books. Banning material you dont like is all about power, control, and slavery.

The issue is you're not necessarily playing a reasonable person. Through your direct actions, you can get those kids killed via the goblin route. It just seems jarring that a psychotic villain won't lift a finger against the kids directly after they've stolen from them.

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